So , you reject the Talmud? Interesting position for a Nazarene given your entire religion relies on it.
As for the other point, you’ve stumbled into the Jewish subgroup.
Probably. But see post 32.
The Nazarene does not understand any of the historic relevance of the Talmud. Wash your hands and move on.
The bits with this superfluous details to Ruth’s story are hardly Scripture.
The problem with Harafu’s tale (Harafu being said to have been Oprah’s real name by these same rabbis).
First off, that a foreigner’s son would be married to a local princess ... but let us leave that aside as it’s not the real problem.
The problem in this tale if Goliath is to be Oprah’s son is her age when he was born so that he’s still in his prime when he dies. To allow it to even be possible, I’ll need here assume relatively younger ages rather than older.
For instance, the princess thing completely aside, if Elimelech’s boys were themselves not children when they entered Moab and were given wives closer their own age rather than younger, and therefore Ruth and Oprah become older, it becomes more of a problem for her being Goliath’s mom. The younger she is the less the problem. This still allows for the arranged marriage aspect of the story.
Naomi had been in Moab ten years before the deaths of her sons.
It is not recorded how long after this that she heard that there was again food in Israel but let us assume it was not long.
So assume both Ruth and Oprah were still young, no more than 15 or 16, both recent widows, only without children of their own (obviously), when Naomi set out to return.
This means that Ruth and Oprah should have easily been younger than 17 (even 16) when Obed was born.
Obed became the father of Jessie as well as Johnathan and possibly Nahash (both are at least listed as David’s uncles). There is no full listing of Obed’s sons in Scripture nor, obviously, the order they were born in. But for the best case scenario let him be no more than 20 when Jessie was born.
Ruth and Oprah are still as young as 35 to 40.
Jessie has 8 sons and an unknown number of daughters before David is born. It would not be unreasonable that he was in his young 30s when David was born. Just assume 30, it’s a nice round figure. With multiple wives you could easily drop 5 years off of that, so 25 on the low side.
That makes Ruth and Oprah as young as 60 to 70 when David is born.
David was a teenager when he faced off against Goliath. Only three of his brothers are old enough to be soldiers. Assume he’s 15-16.
This puts Ruth and Oprah as young as their mid 70s to mid 80s at that time.
Now, Goliath was an experienced warrior, as were his brothers, but the army of Israel wouldn’t have been cowed by a man well past his prime no matter how tall so it would be a stretch to say he was much past 35 at the time, which is a man still in his prime.
But no matter what, we are looking at a man who, were he Oprah’s kid, would have been born when she was 40 to about 50. The younger Goliath was the older she was when he was born. The older Goliath was the greater the likelihood he would be seen as someone beyond his prime and thus unable to browbeat the men of Israel. Even if Goliath were in his mid 40s that would still put Oprah in her early 30s when he was born (at the youngest).
Then there’s Goliath’s brothers ... do you think he was the youngest of them? If not poor Oprah is really pumping out kiddos (and likely BIG healthy babies too) rather late in life.
So apart from these personal slanders as you’ve mentioned (Oprah suddenly lacking in chaste morals of a proper princess) this story also has her having kids well past normal child bearing ages and that after a hard life a whoring ... something that seems rather unlikely.
Either Oprah is too old or Goliath is too old (or even both are somewhat too old).
So which is more likely? That or TWO girls with the same or similar names? One that knew Naomi and a second younger woman that was Goliath’s mom?
Finally, Oprah’s asserted death. Do you imagine Harafu was actively quizzed about her own family and personal life before she died trying to defend her last son?
The only persons who could personally recognize her as their Oprah would have been Naomi and Ruth and they wouldn’t have been there even if they were still alive (which was certainly possible, more so for Ruth).