[aMorePerfectUnion]

In Revelation, Israel brought forth the Messiah - the Messiah promised to them.

I’d suggest you not start by entering the room holding Mary’s hand.

Just go to the passage. Read the entire section. Ask how it fits in with the preceding and following sections. Ask about all you find.

I know you would like it to be about Mary. Your extensive artwork proves this. Yet it is not about her.

Mary’s roll was to bear and raise Messiah to fulfill God’s promises to Israel. This she fulfilled. We continue to note how blessed she was to be chosen and used in this important roll.

The rest stems from poor hermeneutics and Hopium...

[Luircin]

Random expansion on your topic.

The woman in Revelation is not only Israel but the Church as a whole, because if we stretch all through history, she is one and the same.

[af_vet_1981]

In Revelation, Israel brought forth the Messiah - the Messiah promised to them.

Jacob is a man. God named him Israel. He is a father, not a mother. He has twelve sons. None of them is the Messiah. He is a Patriarch, not a Matriarch.

There is no valid path to bring forth a man child to rule the Gentiles (nations) with a rod of iron and rise up to the throne of God except through the virgin, Miriam/Mary, who belongs to both the nation of Israel and the Church. She is the woman who brings forth Jesus, the man child who will rule the Gentiles with a rod of iron and is caught up to heaven at the right hand of the Father.

Going to the passage, and comparing it with Joseph's dream one can see:
1. Joseph dreamed that the sun, the moon, and eleven stars bowed to him. The text in Genesis interprets the sun as Jacob, the moon as Joseph's mother Rachel, and the eleven stars as Joseph's brothers.
2. In Revelation the wonder in heaven is a woman, not a man. She is clothed by the sun with the moon under her feet. There is a crown of twelve stars in a crown upon her head.
3. The woman, clothed by the sun (Patriarch(s)), and the moon (Matriarch(s)), crowned by the stars (twelve tribes) becomes pregnant and brings forth the Messiah who rises up to the throne of God.
4. The woman cannot be Israel, except through Miriam/Mary, because Israel are the brethren of the Messiah, not the mother of the Messiah.
5. The woman cannot be the Church, except through Miriam/Mary, because the Church is the body of the Messiah, not the mother of the Messiah.