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To: ealgeone

“You cannot earn your way to salvation.”

No one here is claiming you can. But you have to use straw men like that don’t you?

“Your works don’t lead to salvation....your salvation leads to fruit (works).”

Grace leads to your salvation and we receive grace for both our faith in Christ and the works He begins in us that we cooperate with.

“But the fruit isn’t what keeps you saved.”

Only grace saves.

“Your faith in Him does as noted in Ephesians 1:13-14.....you are sealed by the Holy Spirit. He keeps you.”

Grace keeps you. Please note that the passage you just cited contradicts you. It never says, “Faith saves you.” It says, “When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal...” That seal is a gift of grace which is opened with faith. Faith can only save in that it opens the way for grace. We are saved by GRACE ALONE. We receive grace for both our faith in Christ and the works He begins in us that we cooperate with.

“parádosis” = “tradition” - that’s what the word means. It’s what is handed down to the next generation. TRADITION.

“Now, the question is....what were those things that Paul taught them? Context is the key to understanding that question. And it isn’t all of the other stuff that’s been claimed by Roman Catholicism.”

“Roman Catholicism” is a Protestant traditional term.


79 posted on 11/28/2017 5:29:55 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998
Only grace saves.

8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Ephesians 2:8-10 NASB

God's grace enables us to come to Him through faith...not works.

We have nothing to boast about.

It is through faith alone that we come to Him.

92 posted on 11/28/2017 5:50:57 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: vladimir998
“Roman Catholicism” is a Protestant traditional term.

Are you going back to that thread??

93 posted on 11/28/2017 5:51:46 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: vladimir998; ealgeone; aMorePerfectUnion
No one here is claiming you can.

Yup, they do. The Catholic church does.

They tell us that you have to be baptized to be saved.

But then that's not enough. You also have to take communion to be saved.

But that's still not enough. You must go to confession.

And then you have to do corporeal works of mercy, however someone randomly decides to define that.

And then you have to be Catholic.

And in submission to the pope. (ooops, that rules out a lot of Catholics right now).

And so there you have it, the Hamster Wheel of Works.

127 posted on 11/28/2017 7:06:00 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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