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Protestantism, Modernism, Atheism
Crisis Magazine ^
| November 28, 2017
| Julia Meloni
Posted on 11/28/2017 12:09:34 PM PST by ebb tide
The reality of the apostasy of faith in our time rightly and profoundly frightens us, said Cardinal Burke in honor of Fatimas centenary.
In 1903, Pope St. Pius X declared himself terrified by humanitys self-destructive apostasy from God: For behold they that go far from Thee shall perish (Ps. 72:27). How much more daunting, said Cardinal Burke, is todays widespread apostasy.
In 1910, St. Pius X condemned the movement for a One-World Church without dogmas, hierarchy, or curb for the passionsa church which, under the pretext of freedom, would impose legalized cunning and force. How much more, said Cardinal Burke, do todays movements for a single government of the world and certain movements with the Church herself disregard sin and salvation?
In Pascendi, St. Pius X named the trajectory toward the annihilation of all religion: The first step
was taken by Protestantism; the second
by [the heresy of] Modernism; the next will plunge headlong into atheism.
So let us, said Cardinal Burke, heed Fatimas call for prayer, penance, and reparation. Let us be agents of the triumph of Marys Immaculate Heart.
A few weeks after that speech, the Vatican announced its shining tribute to the Protestant revolution: a golden stamp with Luther and Melanchthon at the foot of the cross, triumphantly supplanting the Blessed Virgin and St. John.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has asked how the Vatican can call Luther a witness to the gospel when he called the Mass
a blasphemy and the papacy an invention of Satan. The signatories of the filial correction have expressed wonderment and sorrow at a statue of Luther in the Vaticanand documented the affinity between Luthers ideas on law, justification, and marriage and Pope Franciss statements.
At a 2016 joint commemoration of the Protestant revolution, Pope Francis expressed joy for its myriad gifts. He and pro-abortion Lutherans with female clergy jointly declared that what unites us is greater than what divides us. Together they raise[d] their voices against violence. They prayed for the conversion of those who exploit the earth. They declared the goal of receiving the Eucharist at one table to express their full unity.
In Martin Luther: An Ecumenical Perspective, Cardinal Kasper confirms that the excommunicated, apostate monk is now a common church father, a new St. Francis of Assisi. This prophet of the new evangelization was forced into calling the pope the Antichrist after his call for repentance was not heard. But Kasper finds ecumenical hope in Luthers statement that he would
kiss the feet of a pope who allows and acknowledges his gospel.
Kasper says Pope Franciss Evangelii Gaudium, without mentioning him by name, makes Luthers concerns stand in the center.
So its Luthers gospel of grace and mercy behind, apparently, the high disdain for self-absorbed promethean neopelagianis[ts] plagued by a soundness of doctrine thats narcissistic and authoritarian (EG 94).
So its Lutherthe bizarre protagonist of ecumenical unitybehind the demand for a conversion of the papacy that gives genuine doctrinal authority to episcopal conferences (EG 32). Sandro Magister says the pope is already creating a federation of national Churches endowed with extensive autonomy through liturgical decentralization.
So its Luther behind the demand to accept the unruly freedom of the word, which accomplishes what it wills in ways that surpass our
ways of thinking (EG 22). Kasper says Luthers faith in the self-implementation of the word of God gave him a heroic openness to the future.
Ultimately, Kaspers Luthera prophet of openness to futurity, a Catholic reformer waiting for a sympathetic popeemerges as a symbolic father for Modernisms struggle to change the Church from within. Modernism falsely claims that God evolves with historymaking truth utterly mutable. So Kasper the Modernist says dogmas can be stupid and Church structures can spring from ideology and denying the Eucharist to adulterers because of one phrase from Christ is ideological, too.
Kasper baldly calls the changeless God an offense to man:
One must deny him for mans sake, because he claims for himself the dignity and honor that belong by right to man
.
We must resist this God
also for Gods sake. He is not the true God at all, but rather a wretched idol. For a God
who is not himself history is a finite God. If we call such a being God, then for the sake of the Absolute we must become absolute atheists. Such a God springs from a rigid worldview; he is the guarantor of the status quo and the enemy of the new.
A shocking ultimatum from the man hailed as the popes theologian: either embrace a mutable God whos not an enemy of the newor profess absolute, unflinching, hardcore atheism.
Kasper says the Church must be led by a spirit that is not primarily the third divine person. That ominous spirit, says Thomas Stark, is apparently some Hegelian agent of creations self-perfection. Pope Francis, against all the sourpusses (EG 85), describes our final cause as the utopian future (EG 222). Because God wants us to be happy in this world, its no longer possible to claim that religion
exists only to prepare souls for heaven (EG 182).
But Christ said, In the world you shall have distress (Jn. 16:33). The 1907 dystopian novel The Lord of the World hauntingly imagines the travails of historys last days, when humanity has heeded Kaspers call to resist God with absolute atheism if necessary. By this point, Protestantism is dead, for men recognize at last that a supernatural religion involves an absolute authority. Those with any supernatural belief left are Catholicpersecuted by a world professing no God but man, no priest but the politician.
More and more clergy apostatize. Man has learned his own divinity. Yet Fr. Percy Franklin still adores the Eucharistic Lord, still believes that the reconciling of a soul to God is greater than the reconciling of nations. He secretly hears a dying womans confession before the real prieststhe euthanizerscome.
Her daughter-in-law, Mabel, scoffs that the new atheism has perfected Catholicism:
Do you not understand that all which Jesus Christ promised has come true, though in another way? The reign of God has really begun; but we know now who God is. You said just now you wanted the forgiveness of Sins; well, you have that; we all have it, because there is no such thing as sin. There is only Crime.
And then Communion. You used to believe that that made you a partaker of God; well, we are all partakers of God, because we are all human beings.
Mabel and the rapt multitudes ritually worship Man. God was a hideous nightmare. Their spirits swoon before a politician promising the universal brotherhood of man.
That savior of the world is the Antichrist. All must deny God or die.
For history, like the novel itself, ends not with rapturous utopia but with tribulation, apostasy, martyrdoms, and Gods triumph over the revolt of evil [in] the form of the Last Judgment (CCC 677). In the throes of his own tribulation, Fr. Franklin calls us to cling to the faith and those refuges of old:
The mass, prayer, the rosary. These first and last. The world denies their power: it is on their power that Christians must throw all their weight.
TOPICS: Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: francischurch; oneworldchurch
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To: Luircin
Romam Catholicism admits they didn't have a formal canon until Trent!
I've often wondered why, when they had the chance at Trent, they didn't incorporate all of those writings they claim as Tradition to be Canon?
To: ebb tide
Why do you guys baptize each other if its not a sacrament?
Commanded by Christ in Matthew 28:18-20
To: narses
To: ealgeone
**Your post illustrates perfectly why context matters in understanding Scrioture. You clearly explained how the two verses work. Nicely done.**
Thanks. Just seeing the timeline in the gospels: post resurrection instruction to his disciples.
I call many RC teachings to be the stuff of an iron and clay religion. Scripture mixed with pagan traditions just can’t stand the earthshaking of the whole doctrine of God.
Just the praying to the works of men’s hands is blasphemy. I know they trot out Moses brass serpent (which was the only one made), but the Israelites were only to look at it if they got bit, not bow and etc. The making of all the statues, prayer beads, necklaces, etc. is no different than the silversmiths of Diana.
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posted on
11/28/2017 9:19:09 PM PST
by
Zuriel
(Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
LOL. Well, you told me the truth on that subject. 😁😀😆
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posted on
11/28/2017 9:22:05 PM PST
by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
To: unlearner
186
posted on
11/28/2017 9:29:17 PM PST
by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
To: Luircin
And one would think that on the doctrines where we ARE in agreement we would have more RC participation on Religion Forum threads that discuss topics such as the Deity of Jesus Christ! It’s almost non-existent. Regardless, I don’t think even on areas we don’t see eye to eye we couldn’t at least have common respect and adult-level dialog, right?
Like you have stated earlier, there are many Roman Catholics who demonstrate this ability - and it is wonderful to be able to engage and agree to disagree - but it is usually the contentious few who turn threads like these into cesspools by the time they die out. I don’t think it gives Free Republic a good reputation when that happens. I think we should remember that the entire online world can see our family squabbles. Respect breeds respect.
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posted on
11/28/2017 9:38:07 PM PST
by
boatbums
(The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
To: Elsie
Perhaps youll have fun with THIS thread youve started. Yawn. Dont you just love your assurance of salvation? 😄😀 I know I do, and quite bluntly, I dont care what anyone thinks about it. Oops, there I said it. 😁😱 Others may not have any assurance of salvation. Oh well. Such is life. Thats on them. It doesnt affect me. 🤣
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posted on
11/28/2017 9:59:27 PM PST
by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
To: ebb tide
I’m confessing to God. And to my fellow Christians. And I’ve also forgiven others in the name of Jesus.
And yes, retaining unrepentant sins is something I have to do as well. Unpleasant reality, but at least it hasn’t yet gotten to the point where I’ve had to go beyond a single warning about unrepentance.
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posted on
11/28/2017 10:01:17 PM PST
by
Luircin
To: Elsie
I am glad it says it is written, and not it has come to pass. 😱😁😀
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posted on
11/28/2017 10:11:03 PM PST
by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
To: ealgeone; aMorePerfectUnion; boatbums; metmom
I've never understood if Roman Catholics believe baptism saves you...why you don't have to be baptized again after you commit a mortal sin? Since I am an ex Catholic, let me take a stab at it. Since there is so much false doctrine in the RCC, I cannot guarantee that all of them were told the same thing.
I was told that baptism wiped out original sin, then later, when one commits sins, they are not original sin After that, then these other sins, venial sins or mortal, are forgiven by confession to a priest. Image that, sins are classified. I asked a priest once, to tell me what were venial sins, and what were mortal sins. I wanted to sin up to a point, then stop, you know, like till I just needed glasses. 🙃 I didnt mind committing venial sins, but I didnt want to mess with the big M (mortal sins)
All this just led to inner frustration. I just couldnt stop 🛑 committing mortal sins, so I gave up, and my mortal sin meter spun faster than a C-130 prop. Things changed later, of course. 🤣
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posted on
11/28/2017 10:40:35 PM PST
by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
It is a hamster wheel of self-effort and guilt. I was on that hamster wheel for a long time, and never moved forward even one inch, so I gave it up for lent. 🤣😄😀
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posted on
11/28/2017 10:49:51 PM PST
by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
To: Luircin
Of course, losing your salvation every time you do a mortal sin and then having to rush to confess it must be very tiresome.It certainly was for me. When I went to catholic school, 1-12, I went to confession 6 days a week, cuz I was afraid of losing my salvation.
The truth is, I couldnt lose something I didnt have to begin with.
I think if Catholics are honest to themselves, in their own hearts, the majority are really fearful of dying, because they dont know if they have been able to earn their salvation. Is there anything more important than Heaven or Hell? I think not. 🔥😱
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posted on
11/28/2017 10:58:42 PM PST
by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
To: metmom; aMorePerfectUnion; boatbums
What you posted is just another Prot bashing screed by a Protestant hating Catholic.I dont know if all Catholics hate Protestants. All I know is, that I certainly did, when I was a Catholic. I regarded Protestant Christians with hatred and hostility, as I think you did too, MM. Things are different now, of course. 🙃
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posted on
11/29/2017 12:40:33 AM PST
by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
To: vladimir998
And St. Paul makes it clear how the forgiveness of sins comes...Nah; it was that Ananias guy.
Golly; I wonder what JESUS might have said to one who asked Him what GOD's requirements were???
John 6:25-40
25 When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, Rabbi, when did you get here?
26 Jesus answered, Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.
28 Then they asked him, What must we do to do the works God requires?
29 Jesus answered, The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.
30 So they asked him, What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31 Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
32 Jesus said to them, Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.
34 Sir, they said, always give us this bread.
35 Then Jesus declared, I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Fathers will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
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posted on
11/29/2017 3:32:38 AM PST
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Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: vladimir998
And you have proved, again, that you apparently dont care about evidence.Call no man father.
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posted on
11/29/2017 3:33:25 AM PST
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Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: ebb tide
You seem to have overlooked the previous verses in John 20: REALLY?
From YOU??
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posted on
11/29/2017 3:34:54 AM PST
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Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: ebb tide
When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost.What?
Not just Pete??
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posted on
11/29/2017 3:36:09 AM PST
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Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: metmom
... you have to be baptized to be saved.You also have to take communion to be saved.
You must go to confession.
you have to do corporeal works of mercy, .
you have to be Catholic.
This sounds MIGHTY familiar... HMMMmmm...
Acts 15 Version 1.6
The Council at Fresno...
1 Certain Catholics came from all across the world to FreeRepublic and were trying to convince the believers: "Unless you are Catechized, according to the custom taught by Rome, you cannot be saved." 2 This brought Elsie and Metmom ETAL into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Elsie and Metmom were appointed, along with some other believers, to lurk on FR to see the Catholics and NON about this question. 3 The Holy Spirit sent them on their way, and as they traveled through the Religion Forum, they told how the NON-Catholics had been converted. This news made all the Protestants very glad. 4 When they came to FR, they were scorned by members of the ONE TRUE church, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.
5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Catholics stood up and said, "The Protestants must be baptisted correctly and required to keep the laws of Rome!"
6 The posters met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Metmom got up and addressed them: "Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Protestants might hear from our fingers the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Protestants a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."
12 The whole of FR became silent (Yeah; THAT's gonna happen!) as they listened to Elsie and Metmom telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Protestants. 13 When they finished, Boatbums spoke up. "Brothers," she said, "listen to me. 14 MGinTN has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16 "'After this I will return
and rebuild Rome's fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Protestants who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things'
18 things known from long ago.
19 "It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Protestants who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from vision and apparations, from Brown Scapulas, from the endless repetitions of the ROSARY and from so-called blood. 21 For the laws of Rome has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the sanctuaries on every Sunday."
The Council's Letter to Gentile Believers
22 Then the posters and lurkers, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Fresno with Mark17 and Tennessee Nana. They chose Daniel1212 (called Wise) and eagleone, and Luircin, Mark17; as well as aMorePerfectUnion; folks who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Farewell.
30 So the men were sent off and continued to post on FR, where they gathered the people together and delivered the GOSPEL. 31 The people (most all except ebb tide, piusv, Salvation; Steelfish; Mrs. Don-o and Vlademir998) read it and were glad for its encouraging message.
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posted on
11/29/2017 3:40:57 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: ebb tide
I'll stick with the Bible and reject the heretic, Luther....every idle word...
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11/29/2017 3:41:48 AM PST
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Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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