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Protestantism, Modernism, Atheism
Crisis Magazine ^
| November 28, 2017
| Julia Meloni
Posted on 11/28/2017 12:09:34 PM PST by ebb tide
The reality of the apostasy of faith in our time rightly and profoundly frightens us, said Cardinal Burke in honor of Fatimas centenary.
In 1903, Pope St. Pius X declared himself terrified by humanitys self-destructive apostasy from God: For behold they that go far from Thee shall perish (Ps. 72:27). How much more daunting, said Cardinal Burke, is todays widespread apostasy.
In 1910, St. Pius X condemned the movement for a One-World Church without dogmas, hierarchy, or curb for the passionsa church which, under the pretext of freedom, would impose legalized cunning and force. How much more, said Cardinal Burke, do todays movements for a single government of the world and certain movements with the Church herself disregard sin and salvation?
In Pascendi, St. Pius X named the trajectory toward the annihilation of all religion: The first step
was taken by Protestantism; the second
by [the heresy of] Modernism; the next will plunge headlong into atheism.
So let us, said Cardinal Burke, heed Fatimas call for prayer, penance, and reparation. Let us be agents of the triumph of Marys Immaculate Heart.
A few weeks after that speech, the Vatican announced its shining tribute to the Protestant revolution: a golden stamp with Luther and Melanchthon at the foot of the cross, triumphantly supplanting the Blessed Virgin and St. John.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has asked how the Vatican can call Luther a witness to the gospel when he called the Mass
a blasphemy and the papacy an invention of Satan. The signatories of the filial correction have expressed wonderment and sorrow at a statue of Luther in the Vaticanand documented the affinity between Luthers ideas on law, justification, and marriage and Pope Franciss statements.
At a 2016 joint commemoration of the Protestant revolution, Pope Francis expressed joy for its myriad gifts. He and pro-abortion Lutherans with female clergy jointly declared that what unites us is greater than what divides us. Together they raise[d] their voices against violence. They prayed for the conversion of those who exploit the earth. They declared the goal of receiving the Eucharist at one table to express their full unity.
In Martin Luther: An Ecumenical Perspective, Cardinal Kasper confirms that the excommunicated, apostate monk is now a common church father, a new St. Francis of Assisi. This prophet of the new evangelization was forced into calling the pope the Antichrist after his call for repentance was not heard. But Kasper finds ecumenical hope in Luthers statement that he would
kiss the feet of a pope who allows and acknowledges his gospel.
Kasper says Pope Franciss Evangelii Gaudium, without mentioning him by name, makes Luthers concerns stand in the center.
So its Luthers gospel of grace and mercy behind, apparently, the high disdain for self-absorbed promethean neopelagianis[ts] plagued by a soundness of doctrine thats narcissistic and authoritarian (EG 94).
So its Lutherthe bizarre protagonist of ecumenical unitybehind the demand for a conversion of the papacy that gives genuine doctrinal authority to episcopal conferences (EG 32). Sandro Magister says the pope is already creating a federation of national Churches endowed with extensive autonomy through liturgical decentralization.
So its Luther behind the demand to accept the unruly freedom of the word, which accomplishes what it wills in ways that surpass our
ways of thinking (EG 22). Kasper says Luthers faith in the self-implementation of the word of God gave him a heroic openness to the future.
Ultimately, Kaspers Luthera prophet of openness to futurity, a Catholic reformer waiting for a sympathetic popeemerges as a symbolic father for Modernisms struggle to change the Church from within. Modernism falsely claims that God evolves with historymaking truth utterly mutable. So Kasper the Modernist says dogmas can be stupid and Church structures can spring from ideology and denying the Eucharist to adulterers because of one phrase from Christ is ideological, too.
Kasper baldly calls the changeless God an offense to man:
One must deny him for mans sake, because he claims for himself the dignity and honor that belong by right to man
.
We must resist this God
also for Gods sake. He is not the true God at all, but rather a wretched idol. For a God
who is not himself history is a finite God. If we call such a being God, then for the sake of the Absolute we must become absolute atheists. Such a God springs from a rigid worldview; he is the guarantor of the status quo and the enemy of the new.
A shocking ultimatum from the man hailed as the popes theologian: either embrace a mutable God whos not an enemy of the newor profess absolute, unflinching, hardcore atheism.
Kasper says the Church must be led by a spirit that is not primarily the third divine person. That ominous spirit, says Thomas Stark, is apparently some Hegelian agent of creations self-perfection. Pope Francis, against all the sourpusses (EG 85), describes our final cause as the utopian future (EG 222). Because God wants us to be happy in this world, its no longer possible to claim that religion
exists only to prepare souls for heaven (EG 182).
But Christ said, In the world you shall have distress (Jn. 16:33). The 1907 dystopian novel The Lord of the World hauntingly imagines the travails of historys last days, when humanity has heeded Kaspers call to resist God with absolute atheism if necessary. By this point, Protestantism is dead, for men recognize at last that a supernatural religion involves an absolute authority. Those with any supernatural belief left are Catholicpersecuted by a world professing no God but man, no priest but the politician.
More and more clergy apostatize. Man has learned his own divinity. Yet Fr. Percy Franklin still adores the Eucharistic Lord, still believes that the reconciling of a soul to God is greater than the reconciling of nations. He secretly hears a dying womans confession before the real prieststhe euthanizerscome.
Her daughter-in-law, Mabel, scoffs that the new atheism has perfected Catholicism:
Do you not understand that all which Jesus Christ promised has come true, though in another way? The reign of God has really begun; but we know now who God is. You said just now you wanted the forgiveness of Sins; well, you have that; we all have it, because there is no such thing as sin. There is only Crime.
And then Communion. You used to believe that that made you a partaker of God; well, we are all partakers of God, because we are all human beings.
Mabel and the rapt multitudes ritually worship Man. God was a hideous nightmare. Their spirits swoon before a politician promising the universal brotherhood of man.
That savior of the world is the Antichrist. All must deny God or die.
For history, like the novel itself, ends not with rapturous utopia but with tribulation, apostasy, martyrdoms, and Gods triumph over the revolt of evil [in] the form of the Last Judgment (CCC 677). In the throes of his own tribulation, Fr. Franklin calls us to cling to the faith and those refuges of old:
The mass, prayer, the rosary. These first and last. The world denies their power: it is on their power that Christians must throw all their weight.
TOPICS: Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: francischurch; oneworldchurch
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To: metmom
Been asked for many times over the years and have not got an answer nor how they are sure the traditions were actually taught by the apostles and have been passed down faithfully through all these centuries. Absolutely true.
Roman Catholicism is built on assumptions that have no historical basis. This is one more.
To: ebb tide
Look up the Apostles Creed. Created in 390 BC - long after the death of the Apostles.
To: vladimir998
And St. Paul makes it clear how the forgiveness of sins comes - including in his own life as he must have told Luke - through baptism. Acts 22:16 The Greek indicates Paul had called on His name before being baptized.
and now why delay you? having arisen, be baptized and wash away the sins of you, having called on the name of Him.
The Greek verb, ἐπικαλεσάμενος,(ἐπικαλέω meaning to call upon, appeal to, address. Only used twice in the NT. Here and 1 Corinthians 6:11) is a participle (verbal). It is: aorist tense, participle, middle voice.
The aorist participle in NT Greek is normally, though by no means always, antecdent in time to the action of the main verb. But when the aorist participle is related to an aorist main verb, the participle will often be contemporaneous (or simultaneous) to the action of the main verb.(Wallace,Greek Grammer: Beyond the Basics p.624).
I offer these translations of this verse for discussion.
'Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.' NASB
And now why tarriest thou? Rise up, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, invoking his name. Douay-Rheims
And now, why delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins by calling on His name.'" Holman Christian Standard Bible
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. KJV
To: ebb tide
[14] Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. Thessalonians; Chapter 2. Context...ebb...context. Read all of 2 Thess to understand what he's talking about.
To: ebb tide
It was Luther who threw out entire books of the Bible that werent to his liking. Easily proven to be a false statement. He did not throw out complete books of the Bible.
To: aMorePerfectUnion
Created in 390 BC - long after the death of the Apostles.That's news to me. I thought the Apostles didn't die until after Christ's Death.
How could they "create" a creed predicting something 390 years into the future?
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posted on
11/28/2017 7:49:16 PM PST
by
ebb tide
(We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
To: metmom
And to that list...hope you don't commit a mortal sin or you've lost your salvation.
I've never understood if Roman Catholics believe baptism saves you...why you don't have to be baptized again after you commit a mortal sin?
To: ebb tide
AMPU>>Until you can prove that any tradition came from the Apostles, we don't even know which century it began.<<
ebb: What an absurd statement. You might as well be a Muslim.
And you might as well be a Mormon by adding to revealed Scripture. They have the Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price and Roman Catholicism has "Tradition".
To: ebb tide; Luircin
It was Luther who threw out entire books of the Bible that werent to his liking. Not I. Luther was the first cherry-picker. No, he didn't/wasn't. Now wasn't someone just talking upthread about posting irrefutable facts that are continually ignored??? What's wrong, Ebb, run out of bullets and this is your last go-to "I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I" card?
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posted on
11/28/2017 7:53:28 PM PST
by
boatbums
(The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
To: ebb tide
How could they "create" a creed predicting something 390 years into the future?
😂
To: ealgeone
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posted on
11/28/2017 7:55:06 PM PST
by
ebb tide
(We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
You, know, for some of them I think just BEING on the hamster wheel is what they count on to save them.
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posted on
11/28/2017 7:55:28 PM PST
by
boatbums
(The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
To: ebb tide
The only creed we have to believe is this:
24Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
John 5:24 NASB
To: ealgeone
There were about 120 in the upper on Pentecost. At that time they chose Matthias to fill Judas’ spot. Matthias had been a disciple from the beginning of Lord’s ministry, just not one of the twelve. Remember when the Lord send out 70 disciples, giving them miraculous power? Matthias may have been one of those. Anyway, the apostles had plenty of help to baptize 3000 souls. I guarantee that they didn’t sprinkle either.
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posted on
11/28/2017 8:01:51 PM PST
by
Zuriel
(Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
To: ealgeone
“To invoke one of Vlad’s Rules.....the text does not say that Peter and the Apostles baptized them.”
You think the Jews baptized them? Gee, was it the Roman soldiers? Seriously, you embarrass yourself. Acts 2:41 makes it clear the people did not baptize themselves. Peter may have given orders for the 3,000 to be baptized, but it was Peter himself who said “be baptized” in verse 38. Peter and the Apostles, therefore, baptized them. I realize you might be desperate for some sort hollow victory since you repeatedly fail here but come on, what you’re saying is laughable.
I didn’t have to be corrected on anything since there was no error. Whether Peter did the baptizing himself or gave orders he still called for it and it was done under his authority. Do you realize you’re making a pro-papal argument? If you’re saying Peter didn’t do any baptizing but only gave orders for it (and that would be bolstered by Acts 10:48), then that means Peter was acting just like Jesus in the same situation. Jesus ordered the Apostles to baptize. He apparently didn’t do it himself.
In any case you prove the Church is right. Ah, the glories of anti-Catholic failure.
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posted on
11/28/2017 8:02:02 PM PST
by
vladimir998
(Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
To: metmom
“Yup, they do. The Catholic church does.”
Nope.
“They tell us that you have to be baptized to be saved.”
Jesus says that - as does Peter. And its Jesus’ work not ours.
156
posted on
11/28/2017 8:03:29 PM PST
by
vladimir998
(Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
To: ebb tide; ealgeone
Easily proven to be a false statement. He did not throw out complete books of the Bible.
The 7 books removed by Martin Luther. Read your OWN link, Ebb. Even it never says Luther removed 7 books of the Bible! Placing them in a section (like Jerome and others did long before him) is not "removing" them. In fact, Luther translated them into German in his Bible. Here's a link that would help educate you on the topic http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/p/luther-and-canon-of-scripture.html.
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posted on
11/28/2017 8:07:50 PM PST
by
boatbums
(The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
To: ealgeone
And to that list...hope you don't commit a mortal sin or you've lost your salvation.Au contraire. That's where the Holy Sacrament of Confession comes in as per your "scripture". See John 20:
[22] When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. [23] Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.
It's both a shame and a detriment that y'all reject this sacrament.
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posted on
11/28/2017 8:14:20 PM PST
by
ebb tide
(We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
To: vladimir998
You think the Jews baptized them? Gee, was it the Roman soldiers? Seriously, you embarrass yourself. Acts 2:41 makes it clear the people did not baptize themselves. Peter may have given orders for the 3,000 to be baptized, but it was Peter himself who said be baptized in verse 38. Peter and the Apostles, therefore, baptized them. I realize you might be desperate for some sort hollow victory since you repeatedly fail here but come on, what youre saying is laughable.Vlad's Rule #5...omit what others have posted or twist it in an attempt to show them wrong.
But I digress. I do believe Peter and the disciples did baptized them and maybe with some help from the other believers. Who else was there to baptize them? 124 posted on 11/28/2017, 9:53:57 PM by ealgeone [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 121 | View Replies | Report Abuse]
I didnt have to be corrected on anything since there was no error.
In your post of 107 you said, "And yet he [Peter] then baptized them." Then in 121 you said, "On Pentecost Peter and the Apostles baptized 3,000 people. In one day. Have you forgotten that?"
Vlad's Rules of Internet Debate #6. He will ignore his errors when pointed out to him and dismiss them...even when confronted with them.
And also Vlad's Rules of Internet Debate #3....it means what he wants it to mean.
Whether Peter did the baptizing himself or gave orders he still called for it and it was done under his authority. Do you realize youre making a pro-papal argument?
You mean like James at the Council?
19Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, 20but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. 21For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath. Acts 15:19-21 NASB
Or Paul?
I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 1 Cor 1:14 NASB
To: Zuriel
I agree....they dunked them! You know what that means...they’re Baptists! The only denomination mentioned in the NT! :)...just like John the Baptist!
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