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To: ADSUM
I hopes this helps to understand the teachings of the Catholic church.

I do understand the Roman false teaching of purgatory.

Look at 1 Corinthians 3:14–15: “If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.”

ONLY about what a man does to either glorify God or not. Absolutely nothing about sins, nor "purification.

You see, the Latinate word purgatory means a purgation or burning by fire. Paul in these verses refers to a purgation process whereby a man is saved even though his works are burned away. This is precisely what the Catholic Church teaches.

Yet the verse has nothing to do with purification. It is judgement of a life wasted. You are posting a verse not about a false doctrine to try to justify the doctrine. Doesn't work that way. If only you'd have started with what God said first, instead of starting with a man-made belief and trying to make scripture teach it...

A person at death who still has personal faults is prevented from entering into heaven because he is not completely purified. He must go through a period of purgation in order to be made clean, for nothing unclean will enter heaven (cf. Rev. 21:27).

Not in Scripture. Christ died for ALL the sins of those who have come to faith in Him. Not just some. Every believer will stand there as the "righteousness of Christ", fully accepted by God.

Furthermore, the New Testament shows a continuity with this idea.

It does not.

For example, Matthew 12:32 says that some people who sin “will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.” This suggests that there are some sins that will be forgiven in the age to come. If there is no purification after death, then this passage doesn’t make much sense.

It may suggest it to you, but it doesn't say it. Simply wishogesis.

On the contrary, the idea of purgatory, when properly understood, is entirely consistent with the love of God. God wants us to be perfect (cf. Matt. 5:48).

It is inconsistent with the Gospel and Sacrifice of the Savior. It is perfectly consistent with man-made works.

If we are not perfected by the time we die, we will be perfected in purgatory.

False.

He loves us too much to allow us to be less than what he created us to be. Purgatory is not about an angry God inflicting punishment upon his creatures. It is about a loving Father who “disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness” (Heb. 12:10).

False again. He cares enough to have sent His Son to SAVE men through His sacrifice.

If we sin deliberately after receiving knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins 27but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.t 28Anyone who rejects the law of Moses* is put to death without pity on the testimony of two or three witnesses.u 29Do you not think that a much worse punishment is due the one who has contempt for the Son of God, considers unclean the covenant-blood by which he was consecrated, and insults the spirit of grace? Hebrews 10:26

It's too late tonight to take time to correct your misunderstanding of this passage.

ADSUM, may your eyes be opened to the incredible Gift of God that is greater than human works and religions and self-righteousness. I hope you turn to Him alone before it is too late.

168 posted on 11/04/2017 7:56:44 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I do have Jesus - Body and Blood in the Eucharist and the Sacraments.

Yes. Jesus saved us with His sacrifice on the cross.

We can either accept it and live according to God’s will or reject it. Our choice. God does not force us to love Him, nor does He require us to believe His teachings and that of His Holy Catholic Church.

God’s peace be with you.


176 posted on 11/04/2017 8:18:41 PM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM; aMorePerfectUnion
If we sin deliberately after receiving knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins 27but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.t 28Anyone who rejects the law of Moses* is put to death without pity on the testimony of two or three witnesses.u 29Do you not think that a much worse punishment is due the one who has contempt for the Son of God, considers unclean the covenant-blood by which he was consecrated, and insults the spirit of grace? Hebrews 10:26

This verse is about those who reject Christ and His sacrifice on the Cross....not mortal sins (which is not a NT concept).

If read in context this becomes clear.

If you reject Christ there is no other way to have forgiveness of sins.

In fact, this chapter in Hebrews provides correction for the error of Roman Catholicism where by it is taught by Roman Catholic priest O'Brien in The Faith of Millions" ....the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man—not once but a thousand times!..."

11Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; 12but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, 13waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET. 14For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. Hebrews 10:11-14 NASB

178 posted on 11/04/2017 8:56:24 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“It’s too late tonight to take time to correct your misunderstanding of this passage.”

I ask that you elaborate on your post# 168 to ADSUM. I agree with ADSUM and seek to understand your perspective as well.


231 posted on 11/05/2017 5:20:14 AM PST by tired&retired (Blessings)
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