Posted on 11/04/2017 12:24:50 PM PDT by Salvation
Question: Are the saints in heaven active in the affairs of Earth? — Robert Bonsignore, Brooklyn, New York
Answer: Yes, we have a lot of evidence for that. But exactly how and to what extent they are aware and active is not fully known to us.
It seems unlikely that the saints can merely look down and watch us as though they were watching a movie, or that they can know our inmost thoughts. Such things are probably beyond their capacity and might even be considered intrusive of our privacy.
It seems safer to assume that the saints are aware of our needs and condition to the degree that God reveals this to them. Thus, if I am asking St. Anthony to pray for me, his capacity to hear my request is facilitated by the Lord and due to the membership both St. Anthony and I have in the Body of Christ. By analogy, the two members of my body that I call my hands can interact by the fact they are coordinated through my head. Jesus is the Head of the Body, the Church and everything in his Body is under his authority and coordinated by him, including the awareness and communion of various members of the body with each other.
Paul is in a world of trouble using your "theology".
Of course I do. Do you believe that Catholics do not?
BTW what is an ealge?
To be honest, I have serious questions about Roman Catholicism. Some much of Roman Catholicism seems to be Jesus + works, mary, purgatory, etc.
What is described in revelation is that in heaven, the saints hijack our prayers which we have directed to God, hold them hostage in their hands and then, against God’s will, burn them in an attempt to keep God from ever seeing them. It is just pure luck that burning them turns them into smoke which sends them directly to God. Otherwise, those evil saints in heaven would have kept God from ever knowing that we were even praying to Him.
Any other interpretation of that scripture would mean that:
1. There are saints already in heaven.
2. They hear our prayers and send them to God.
3. Catholics have this one right.
Hmmm...
Love,
O2
(doesn’t matter anyway, since I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior, I’m going to heaven no matter what I do or don’t do)
As discussed previously many times with you.....you’re understanding is incorrect.
Bible's all about doctrine...And that doctrine doesn't justify the Catholic religion...
About what am I incorrect?
And on whose authority do you question my interpretation of the Bible?
Love,
O2
Your understanding of what is happening in Revelation.
And on whose authority do you question my interpretation of the Bible?
A reading of the text and understanding the literature type of Revelation.
You and your likes simply cannot fathom that a Protestant would stand up against your vicious attacks against the Catholic Church - especially a Protestant who has some basis upon which to speak. No, I’m not going to provide details of my resume to someone whose motives I have reason to suspect. And I think it is perfectly clear that you evidently have no qualifications to speak authoritivly on any theological matter. You demand that I reveal to you my personal resume, but have absolutely no intention of returning the favor, as you have no credentials whatsoever.
Do you have any idea what the invocation: “With God as my witness” means, and the weight upon anyone who invokes it? I hereby state for all to hear, as God is my witness, that I am in possession of both undergraduate and graduate EARNED degrees in Bible and Theology. I further declare, again, with God as my witness, that I was a career missionary in the Middle East during times of war, and that I have taught on the college-level courses on Bible and theology, and am the author of many published books on such subjects.
As a lifelong Protestant I deplore those of my theological tradition who denounce and condemn their Catholic brethren out of rank ignorance.
I’m sorry I don’t have a good link or reference for you to follow, but if have honest questions, as you say, you should at least study the Catholic apologetics to those questions.
Always good to look at both sides of the question. I was in a similar mindset to yours for many years, before I started asking those questions. I am now a committed Catholic, and very glad for it.
Again though, is your screen name a typo, or something else?
You are talking foolishness, and apparently have little or no understanding of the Bible or the history of Christian doctrine. Let’s begin with something that should be elementary among all Christians: Do you believe in the Nicene Creed? If so, you already have a great deal in common with the Catholic tradition.
“I stand by my previous statement, for it is also written the not all things that he said and taught are contained in scripture,”
Only the inspired ones the Holy Spirit chose to record in Scripture.
You claim you know of more, but you cannot prove a single sentence.
Joh_21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
You don't even know what scriptures says but you just make up what you want and build your doctrine on it...
Scripture doesn't say Jesus taught anything beyond what we have in scripture...
Maccabees...sorry, but not inspired.
No mention of purgatory in Scripture.
You were the first one on the thread to bring up Roman Catholicism.
To: aMorePerfectUnion; All
Lifelong Protestant here, and sick and tired of willfully ignorant knee-jerk anti-Catholic posters who attack the Catholic Church at every opportunity. (FYI B.A, M.A, and Ph.D. in Theology here).
8 posted on 11/4/2017, 4:00:26 PM by tjd1454 [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies | Report Abuse]
No, I’m not going to provide details of my resume to someone whose motives I have reason to suspect. And I think it is perfectly clear that you evidently have no qualifications to speak authoritivly on any theological matter.
Again, you make a presumptuous assumption.
You demand that I reveal to you my personal resume, but have absolutely no intention of returning the favor, as you have no credentials whatsoever.
You brought up your "esteemed" credentials in what can only be taken as an attempt to show "how much smarter you are" than the rest of us. I asked for proof. Instead of saying I have a phd from _________university you resort to "As God is my witness" as a defense of refusing to offer proof of your credentials.
Now you claim to be an author of many books on theology and Bible....care to share the titles?
As a lifelong Protestant I deplore those of my theological tradition who denounce and condemn their Catholic brethren out of rank ignorance.
Interesting you identify as a "lifelong Protestant" and not a follower of Christ.
Amoreperfectunion and I have offered our positions on this topic...to which I note you still have not enlightened us with your "esteemed" insights brought about by your phd.
Screen name by choice.
“that I am in possession of both undergraduate and graduate EARNED degrees in Bible and Theology.
Big claims. Self-verified. Liberal seminary?
All big claims, and yet you have contributed nothing to the discussion except grandiose claims.
Ok.
You've still not addressed the topic of the thread.
Amen. Too bad some of these people do not have the complete Bible.
LOL!
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