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To: ebb tide
Heresy has crept into the hierarchy of the Catholic Church before, and this is but another wave trying to break the resolve of the Church. The Pope, though declared to be the Vicar of Christ on earth, is still, only and always, a fallible human, not necessarily attuned to the true voice of God.

It is not for us to judge the good or evil that may ensue, as man may propose, but God will dispose.

Angelo Roncalli, known as John XXIII, ascended to the post in 1958 was perhaps one of the most influential popes in recent times, followed closely by Karol Józef Wojtyła, who became John Paul II in 1978.

Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the current Pope Francis, cannot hope to ever achieve the level of influence of either of these two giants.

6 posted on 09/22/2017 10:19:30 AM PDT by alloysteel (Guilty until proven innocent, while denying defense, justice, mercy or any appeal. No pardon, ever.)
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To: alloysteel

While not a Catholic myself I had, and still have, the greatest respect for John Paul II.
He lived his faith minute by minute and the world loved and respected him for it.

By the time the present pope is done the Catholic church will need another JPII.


8 posted on 09/22/2017 10:51:47 AM PDT by oldvirginian (The older i get the less i care what people think of me, therefore the more i enjoy life.)
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To: alloysteel
Angelo Roncalli, known as John XXIII, ascended to the post in 1958 was perhaps one of the most influential popes in recent times, followed closely by Karol Józef Wojtyła, who became John Paul II in 1978.

Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the current Pope Francis, cannot hope to ever achieve the level of influence of either of these two giants.

"Giants"? Giants of what, modernism?

Pope John XXIII convened the Second Vatican Council, which is now to the go-to source for all that is evil. And Jorge Bergoglio was consecrated a bishop and later elevated to the college of cardinals all under Pope John Paul II's reign.

9 posted on 09/22/2017 10:54:37 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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