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To: af_vet_1981

I’m off on vacation for the next two weeks but I will just say your posts are simply proof Catholics believe 1) a person can lose their salvation, and 2) a person must do works to maintain their salvation. Both are in error and are not according to the traditions laid down by the early church fathers. They are semi-Pelagius in their teachings which is heresy and was condemned by the Church-at least what used to be the Church. They will not save you.

This is where “free will” leads you.


174 posted on 09/06/2017 2:03:41 AM PDT by HarleyD ("There are very few shades of grey."-Dr. Eckleburg)
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To: HarleyD; af_vet_1981

BTW-I would also strongly suggest investing in a good commentary or a study of systematic theology like John Calvin or Charles Hodge.


175 posted on 09/06/2017 2:09:15 AM PDT by HarleyD ("There are very few shades of grey."-Dr. Eckleburg)
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To: HarleyD
This is where “free will” leads you.

Note all of these are servants.

For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods. And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey. Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents. And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two. But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money. After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them. And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more. His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them. His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew, Catholic chapter twenty five, Protestant verses fourteen to thirty,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

180 posted on 09/06/2017 7:04:13 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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