What Really Happened at Nicea?

The Council of Nicea is often misrepresented by cults and other religious movements. The actual concern of the council was clearly and unambiguously the relationship between the Father and the Son. Is Christ a creature, or true God? The council said He was true God. Yet, the opponents of the deity of Christ did not simply give up after the council’s decision. In fact, they almost succeeded in overturning the Nicene affirmation of Christ’s deity. But faithful Christians like Athanasius continued to defend the truth, and in the end, truth triumphed over error.

The conversation intensified quickly. “You can’t really trust the Bible,” my Latter-day Saints acquaintance said, “because you really don’t know what books belong in it. You see, a bunch of men got together and decided the canon of Scripture at the Council of Nicea, picking some books, rejecting others.” A few others were listening in on the conversation at the South Gate of the Mormon Temple in Salt Lake City. It was the LDS General Conference, and I again heard the Council of Nicea presented as that point in history where something “went wrong,” where some group of unnamed, faceless men “decided” for me what I was supposed to believe. I quickly corrected him about Nicea — nothing was decided, or even said, about the canon of Scripture at that council.1

I was reminded how often the phrase “the Council of Nicea” is used as an accusation by those who reject the Christian faith. New Agers often allege that the council removed the teaching of reincarnation from the Bible.2 And of course, Jehovah’s Witnesses and critics of the deity of Christ likewise point to that council as the “beginning of the Trinity” or the “first time the deity of Christ was asserted as orthodox teaching.” Others see it as the beginning of the union of church and state in light of the participation of the Roman Emperor, Constantine. Some even say it was the beginning of the Roman Catholic church.

I agree, God the Father didn’t create another god, He created His son Jesus, our redeemer. He is one with the Father by His choice. If He wasn’t, it would be a sin.

And there is that old heresy-free will. Those who know me on this forum will know that for years I have stated that every single can be traced to the idea of "free will". If you have a "choice" to live like Jesus, then why don't you? Every choice you make should be just like His.

The truth of the matter is that we're sinners by nature. We cannot live like Christ. I'm not sure how many times I've stated this. But one does not have to listen to me. If people were honest with themselves and do a careful self examination they would realize the truth. Christ can set us free from the willful practicing of sin but we still will sin.

You compared Jesus to Adam. The trouble is Adam was created out of dust from the earth and God breathed life into him. Are you saying this is the same way Christ was created, God making Him from the dust of the earth and breathing life into Him? Then you are contradicting John 1:1-3. Are you saying Christ was created before the universe? Then Adam had a disadvantage didn't he? When precisely was Adam created versus Christ and why did Adam choose to fall?

Not sure where you found our Lord teaching that. I believe Jesus is a man just like Adam.

Ditto.

I posted this scripture from Romans defining both Adam and Jesus as men.

Christ came to earth as a man to become our sacrifice. He showed us that we could keep the law-we just don't want to. Just like Adam could have kept the law-he just didn't want to. Christ obedience paid the ransom for our sinfulness. We simply have to acknowledge that we really don't want to keep God's commands and ask Him to help us in overcoming this offense.

But this comparison is Christ humanity-Christ being perfect God and perfect man. If you don't understand the Trinity, you certainly will not understand the dual nature of Christ.

Most catholics, I have encountered, are against scripture alone. Hmmm I am only using scripture. Seems to me your are the one quoting from external sources.

Very clever but not true. You hide your Mormonism and the book of Mormon yet complain our Catholic friends are "against scripture". While our Catholic friends may rely upon tradition more than scripture, they are anything else but being against scripture. And yet you will say you do not have external sources? Please.

Find me in the scriptures where it states man has "free will". And I'm the one who you say have external sources?

quote-SEVEN sabbaths shall be complete:
even unto the morrow AFTER the seventh sabbath shall ye NUMBER FIFTY DAYS;
and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord.

Thanks for that verse-
It’s written ‘Shall you number 50 days’...

Why don’t people after the 7th Sabbath, do what it says?
and number 50 days?

And the comments of your post, that one is to begin the count after rome’s saturday-
Is that how you or this group reads that verse? where is rome’s saturday in His Word? the answer to the last question is nowhere.

Is that verse saying you will get to 50 days after the 7th Sabbath? Or is that verse saying to number 50 days after the 7h Sabbath?

I ask because that little difference can make the difference with Pentecost.

And can actually link two feast days together- one in Exodus and one in Acts.

There is one way to read that, following a certain calendar, that has Exodus correlating perfectly with Acts 2. The account of the Feast in the Old Testament is in Exodus 32. And exodus 32 and Acts 2 is detailing the same feast/chag.
And antichrist Judaism and antichrist rome can’t teach that.

A little more on that in a bit.

With the focus on rome’s saturday, this group essentially just doesn’t believe Christ died on Passover- they believe He died on rome’s false good friday. and rome’s saturday to them is His weekly sabbath.

THAT IS WRONG. The Scriptures do not say that.
That is people placing Rome’s catechism and calendar above His Scripture.

They truly don’t believe the Word Became Flesh if they think Friday is His 6th Day. or ‘saturday’ is His 7th. That’s rome’s word becoming flesh.

If they can’t see the 3rd day from Passover is the first day after the weekly ‘Sabbath’, then they are as roman as any.

And back to Leviticus, that little blind spot keeps them from being able to see that the command in Leviticus is actually exposing their whole false 1st importance of the gospel (rome’s version that Christianity and Judaism and Islam and the world follows)

Truly Roman in every fiber of their being. They just can’t see it. They were born into roman citizenry and conformity. They haven’t come out at all. It’s been reinforced their entire lives.
Still stuck with the mother of harlots lies.

even proven by that chart and their inability see what’s in Leviticus.

(and btw, I didn’t comment on 2014 in that chart because I don’t have my 2014 calendar, but I do know that in 2014 this group also missed The Feast of Trumpets (should be September 26th) by a day (and then all the other fall days) as they day in 2015- thanks to His Creation, His Revelation 12 sign and His amazing Grace and mercy! same sign that showed up in 2016 that they appeared to finally get right with October 3rd)

Back to Pentecost-I will frame it this way about Pentecost-

When Moses came down the mount with the 2 tablets of the Covenant in His hands- on the Feast Day/chag that scripture says was declared- and about 3,000 men were killed:

Is that the same day the Holy Spirit came down on the Feast day in Acts 2- and about 3,000 souls were saved?

Because according to the Father’s calendar, and His correct understanding of the count to the chag/Feast of weeks in Leviticus, it is.

The same exact day.

antichrist Judaism and antichrist roman Christianity can’t say that. this group can’t say that.

Why can’t they say this? Because they have a 50 count that is naturally baked into rome’s false calendar- they will always confirm their understaning of that verse and only get 50 days exactly, after their roman false sabbath.

so, they stop there.

They don’t read that there appears to be a numbering of 50 days ‘after the 7th Sabbath’. And some scripture versions have corrupted that so much that it almost confirms the antichrist judaism and antichrist roman views, so they go no further.

But thankfully, we have His Word to test and prove all things!

When one follows the Father’s calendar, those two events- Exodus 32 and Acts 2 is the same day.
Only truly found using the Father’s calendar- Because the Father’s calendar doesn’t have exactly 50 days after the 7th Sabbath, unlike rome’s antichrist pope gregory calendar.
If they followed the Father’s calendar, people would have to read that command in Leviticus much differently.

He actually has a couple more days than exactly 50 when one counts 7 Sabbaths on His calendar.
And those days are called New Moon Days in His Word. (yes, back to the new moon days)

And because antichrist Judaism and antichrist rome again, do not understand His New Moon Day, or His calendar, they miss a rather big appointment EVERY YEAR- thinking they are actually keeping it!

quite a subtle work of the enemy. but that is what I’ve been blessed to see.
How the enemy works. and what satan makes the people of faith do each week, month, year, etc.

Back to Moses-
That event of Moses and the 3,000 slain, with simple math, wasn’t 50 days after Passover. I think antichrist judaism and antichrist rome would agree.

And yet, because of the rather prophetic ‘about 3,000 slain’ in Exodus and ‘about 3,000 saved’ in Acts, the Father connected those two events.

Religion doesn’t today. But His Word does.

Moses coming down the mount was least another 50 days after the 1st 50 days in the wilderness.
And that is what that command in Leviticus is actually stating.

‘Shall you number 50 days after the 7th Sabbath’

It may take new eyes to see it- but He is able to willing to do so.If He can let me see it, He can let anyone see it.

And that is why I stated that one can know with good assurance, when following His Word, that antichrist Judaism and antichrist Rome are wrong with pentecost.

And their antichrist calendars can make them miss major events like Pentecost-
And yet at times, they all can actually be so close to just be off by a day on certain feasts- and then be off by complete months- and yet, also have things fall in line.

That is the work that the enemy does when He changes times and laws.

And the group with the chart you provided, is no different in their blindness. They truly believe when they meet on rome’s saturday they are keeping His Sabbath-

But His Word can show they are no different than rome when rome meets on ‘sunday’. or islam, when islam meets of ‘friday’.

or when they all swing and miss like they did yesterday.

One note that may open some eyes- the Word Made Flesh used 30,60,100 in His Parable of the sower.
Not 30,50,90 like antichrist Judaism and antichrist roman christianity (all of christianity) follows.

Exodus has major events happening at 30,60,100.

antichrist judaism and antichrist rome never get to ‘60’- they are stuck on 50.

antichrist judaism and antichrist rome, and satan working through them, is leading you and your group, and the whole world, astray.

but He is merciful and gracious to all.

This group’s journey hasn’t taken themselves completely’out of her’ yet.

All for His Glory, He led me out!

saw this post after the 1st-

hopefully you read the first reply first, but had to comment on your post...
quote
Ponder this
What does the Bible say came first, the evening or the morning ?
Genesis 1:5; Genesis 1:8; Genesis 1:13; Genesis 1:19; Genesis 1:23; Genesis 1:31

The bible says ‘evening’ came first before morning-

but Yosemitest, what came first before ‘evening’ and ‘morning’ in Genesis 1:5?

DAY came first!
Light!
Work!
He did Work in the Day. in the Light.

Then there was ‘evening’ and ‘morning’.

What is the that word ‘evening’ in Hebrew?

According to His Word, That Hebrew word(ereb #6153) can mean ‘fading of the DAY’, sunset, evening. Twilight,etc.

Logic and His Word says, there has to be DAY BEFORE there can be ‘Fading of the DAY’, Yosemitest.
There has to be LIGHT before Twilight in the ‘evening’.

So, DAY(He called the Light DAY according to scripture) came before BOTH evening (fading of the DAY) and ‘morning’ (Dawn- new day)

That word morning can mean ‘dawn’ which is what we would describe as 1st sunlight..(boqer I believe is the Hebrew word-I believe #1242)

In essense, you and whoever you follow, have completely flipped His Creation account on its head! But religion does that. antichrist Judaism gets away with because of one bible verse that they twist to their blindness- but because they don’t have the Son, they don’t have the Father)

‘Evening and morning’ isn’t a Day in His Word!

Evening and morning (Fading of the Day/twilight/sunset and dawn) is describing the time of NIGHT or darkness!

the time between DAYs(or between light)

His Pattern in Genesis for His Days goes like this:
Light- Day, when He did His Work

Then Evening (fading of the Day )

Then darkness (called Night)

and then morning (dawn- new day)

His days begin with ‘Light’- He called Light ‘Day’, Yosemitest.

His days ends with the fading of the day. But His Word says He called the darkness Night-
Not day. the darkness is called night.

But again, your understanding is reconfirming your allegience to antichrist judaism and antichrist rome that begin their ‘days’ in the dark.

Truly prophetic testimony..and it can be proven to be false when one follows His Word.

And it doesn’t begin at ‘fading of the day’ or at midnight like antichrist judaism and antichrist rome teaches, respectively. Them starting their days in the dark is a perfect prophetic testimony to how they are stumbling on the cornerstone.

But it does explain their blindness to His calendar and yes, His New Moon Day.

His New Moon Day actually commemorates something in His Creation, in Genesis- something that is in the beginning- before His 1st Day. Before He said Let there be Light- Before He called the light ‘Day’..

Truly prophetic blindness.

I saw this post of yours after the previous post I made about pentecost-
so I do hope you don’t miss the previous comment I made about Pentecost.

but the same premise is found in both.

sorry, another post-

I missed your reference to genesis 2.

Depending on translations, Genesis 2 reads that Elohim finished His Work of Creation on the 7th Day.
And rested from all His Work on the 7th Day. That in essense is what your quoted web site details.

But, How does one square the 7th Day conflict?

One can’t finish all their work on the same day they rest from all their work, can they?
But, that is what His Word is saying there. If we read that carefully.

That appears to be a contradiction in His Word.

Now some translators have changed His Word to make that look less like a contradiction, but He built that contradiction into His Word, like a riddle/clue. something that we could seek and find.

If one tells times like the Father teaches, there are two 7th Days-not just one.
One 7th Day where the work week is completed. and one 7th Day where one can rest from all the work completed.

and these 2 ‘7th Days’ are actually right to next to each on His calendar.

That’s why 1+6+1 in Ezekiel 46:1, is being described in Genesis 2.
The 7th Day of the Father’s months is really the ‘6th’ and final work day of His 1st Week.

And the 8th Day of the Father’s month is really the Father’s ‘7th’ Day Sabbath, of His 1st week.

So Creation work being finished on the 7th Day-
And Him resting from all His work on the 7th Day-

Isn’t a contradiction but people/translators, if you search different versions, picked up that there appears to be a contradiction that they couldn’t square with how the world tells time.

They actually went the distance and changed the verses of Genesis 2 to make it make sense to those who only know of one 7th Day.

But, The Father’s calendar squares that contradiction very nicely.
He does it with two 7th Days on His calendar.

One that denotes the 7th day of His month.
One that denotes the 7th day of His week

So, He can actually complete and finish all His Work of Creation on the 7th Day.
And rest from all His Work of Creation on the 7th Day.

People would be blessed to know that those aren’t the same day.

Again, because people do not know that, some have even gone the distance to clean up genesis 2 and make it seem like He finished His work on the 6th Day- not the ‘7th’ Day like that verse clearly states.

But if they knew that the work of Creation was completed on the 7th Day, as it is written, they would see that the Son finishing His work of Redemption on the 14th Day, displays a pattern He is teaching His people.

And remarkably, the finishing work of Convicting the World of Sin, Righteousness and Judgment, the Work of the Holy Spirit, is going to end on the 21st day, following the pattern of Creation and Redemption.
And after 6 ‘days’ of that work, the Sabbath follows.

Just like the work of Creation and Redemption finished on His final work day before His 7th Day Sabbath, the Holy Spirit Work will finish on His ‘6th’ work day of the 3rd month (21st Day) and will lead us into the 7th Day (22nd Day)

Scripture calls one 22nd Day a ‘Sabbath’.

So does His calendar.

All for His Glory!

So; this thread is about the Nicene CREED; eh?

Many Mormons have no idea they have a CREED of their own.

Here is MORMONism's own creed: (they just don't CALL it a 'creed' for THAT word has been tainted by the teaching of their Religious Organization)

Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541

We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

They WILL, however, say you can trust the Bible that has been translated "correctly" - meaning theirs, of course!

The Nicene Creed was originally written in Greek. Its principal liturgical use is in the context of the Eucharist in the West and in the context of both baptism and the Eucharist in the East. A modern English version of the text is as follows:

1. I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.
2. I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages.
3. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made.
4. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man.
5. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures.
6. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
7. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.
8. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.
9. I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
10. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come.
Amen.

Any Mormons reading this AWFUL thing want to tear it apart, line by line, and show the ERROR in it??

me thinks that Moroni is full of baloni...lol

Well; his CITY is sure all wet!!!

3 Nephi chapters 8-9

When Jesus died, the inhabitants of many great cities died with him. Entire cities were sunk into the ocean, or were burned, or destroyed by earthquakes. 8:8-10, 14

8:8 And the city of Zarahemla did take fire.
8:9 And the city of Moroni did sink into the depths of the sea, and the inhabitants thereof were drowned.
8:10 And the earth was carried up upon the city of Moronihah that in the place of the city there became a great mountain.
8:11 And there was a great and terrible destruction in the land southward.
8:12 But behold, there was a more great and terrible destruction in the land northward; for behold, the whole face of the land was changed, because of the tempest and the whirlwinds and the thunderings and the lightnings, and the exceedingly great quaking of the whole earth;
8:13 And the highways were broken up, and the level roads were spoiled, and many smooth places became rough.
8:14 And many great and notable cities were sunk, and many were burned, and many were shaken till the buildings thereof had fallen to the earth, and the inhabitants thereof were slain, and the places were left desolate.

The voice (who finally identifies himself as Jesus Christ) speaks about burning to death, drowning, and burying alive all of the inhabitants of 16 large cities. 9:3-15

9:3 Behold, that great city Zarahemla have I burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof.
9:4 And behold, that great city Moroni have I caused to be sunk in the depths of the sea, and the inhabitants thereof to be drowned.
9:5 And behold, that great city Moronihah have I covered with earth, and the inhabitants thereof, to hide their iniquities and their abominations from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints shall not come any more unto me against them.
9:6 And behold, the city of Gilgal have I caused to be sunk, and the inhabitants thereof to be buried up in the depths of the earth;

9:7 Yea, and the city of Onihah and the inhabitants thereof, and the city of Mocum and the inhabitants thereof, and the city of Jerusalem and the inhabitants thereof; and waters have I caused to come up in the stead thereof, to hide their wickedness and abominations from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints shall not come up any more unto me against them.
9:8 And behold, the city of Gadiandi, and the city of Gadiomnah, and the city of Jacob, and the city of Gimgimno, all these have I caused to be sunk, and made hills and valleys in the places thereof; and the inhabitants thereof have I buried up in the depths of the earth, to hide their wickedness and abominations from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints should not come up any more unto me against them.
9:9 And behold, that great city Jacobugath, which was inhabited by the people of king Jacob, have I caused to be burned with fire because of their sins and their wickedness, which was above all the wickedness of the whole earth, because of their secret murders and combinations; for it was they that did destroy the peace of my people and the government of the land; therefore I did cause them to be burned, to destroy them from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints should not come up unto me any more against them.
9:10 And behold, the city of Laman, and the city of Josh, and the city of Gad, and the city of Kishkumen, have I caused to be burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof, because of their wickedness in casting out the prophets, and stoning those whom I did send to declare unto them concerning their wickedness and their abominations.
9:11 And because they did cast them all out, that there were none righteous among them, I did send down fire and destroy them, that their wickedness and abominations might be hid from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints whom I sent among them might not cry unto me from the ground against them.
9:12 And many great destructions have I caused to come upon this land, and upon this people, because of their wickedness and their abominations.
9:13 O all ye that are spared because ye were more righteous than they, will ye not now return unto me, and repent of your sins, and be converted, that I may heal you?

9:14 Yea, verily I say unto you, if ye will come unto me ye shall have eternal life. Behold, mine arm of mercy is extended towards you, and whosoever will come, him will I receive; and blessed are those who come unto me.
9:15 Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name.

"The most correct book ever written" had to be re-wrote hundreds of times to correct the original "most correct book"

You're just HATEFUL!!!

This chart courtesy of Jerald and Sandra Tanner.

Text	Original 1830 Edition, Book of Mormon	Editions 1837, 1888, 1920, 1964, 1978
Title page	Joseph Smith, Jr. The author and proprietor of this work	Joseph Smith, Jr. the translator of this work
Title page	now if there be fault, it be the mistake of men...	now if there are faults, they are the mistakes of men...
1 Ne 13:40	the lamb of God is the Eternal Father	the lamb of God is the son of the Eternal Father
1Nephi 11:21	the Eternal Father	son of the Eternal Father
1 Nephi 11:32	the Everlasting God	son of the Everlasting God
1 Nephi 20:1	words added	or out of the waters of Baptism
2 Nephi 12:9	the mean man boweth down	the mean man boweth not down
Alma 29:4	Yea, decreeth unto them decrees which are unalterable	words deleted
Alma 37:21,24	directors	Interpreters
Alma 30:16	it is the effects of a phrensied mind	it is the effect of a frenzied mind
Throughout B of M	now there was seven churches	now there were seven churches
Throughout B of M	there were no blood to shed	there was no blood to shed
Throughout B of M	there is two churches	there are two churches
Throughout B of M	and also much horses	and also many horses
Throughout B of M	these things had not ought to be	these things ought not to be
Throughout B of M	as I was a journeying	as I was journeying ("a" removed)
Throughout B of M	They did prepare for to meet them	They did prepare to meet them ("for" removed)
Throughout B of M	some have arrested the scriptures	some have wrested the scriptures
Throughout B of M	when they had arriven	when they had arrived
Throughout B of M	having no respects to persons	having no respect to persons ("s" removed)
Throughout B of M	they had fell into great errors	they had fallen into great errors
Throughout B of M	which was wrote upon the plates	which was written upon the plates
Throughout B of M	they were exceeding fraid	they were exceedingly afraid
Throughout B of M	they had began to possess the land	they had begun to possess the land
Throughout B of M	this they done that they might provide food	this they did that they might provide food
Alma 23:1	nor neither of their brethren	nor either of their brethren
Mosiah 21:28; Ether 4:1	king Benjamin	Mosiah (Benjamin was dead at this time)
1 Nephi 12:18	Jesus Christ	Messiah (Jesus had not yet been revealed to the Nephites)
1 Nephi 20:1	come forth out of the waters of Judah	or out of the waters of baptism (these words added after "Judah"
2 Nephi 16:2	seraphims	seraphim (verse copied from older copy of KJV which made a gramatical error)

The "MOTHER OF HARLOTS" has DECEIVED THEM, and taken away the truth from them, just like Jesus described.

Are YOU a Mormon??

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses , vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

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