Posted on 08/11/2017 10:41:52 PM PDT by boatbums
And there is that old heresy-free will. Those who know me on this forum will know that for years I have stated that every single can be traced to the idea of "free will". If you have a "choice" to live like Jesus, then why don't you? Every choice you make should be just like His.
The truth of the matter is that we're sinners by nature. We cannot live like Christ. I'm not sure how many times I've stated this. But one does not have to listen to me. If people were honest with themselves and do a careful self examination they would realize the truth. Christ can set us free from the willful practicing of sin but we still will sin.
You compared Jesus to Adam. The trouble is Adam was created out of dust from the earth and God breathed life into him. Are you saying this is the same way Christ was created, God making Him from the dust of the earth and breathing life into Him? Then you are contradicting John 1:1-3. Are you saying Christ was created before the universe? Then Adam had a disadvantage didn't he? When precisely was Adam created versus Christ and why did Adam choose to fall?
Not sure where you found our Lord teaching that. I believe Jesus is a man just like Adam.
Ditto.
I posted this scripture from Romans defining both Adam and Jesus as men.
Christ came to earth as a man to become our sacrifice. He showed us that we could keep the law-we just don't want to. Just like Adam could have kept the law-he just didn't want to. Christ obedience paid the ransom for our sinfulness. We simply have to acknowledge that we really don't want to keep God's commands and ask Him to help us in overcoming this offense.
But this comparison is Christ humanity-Christ being perfect God and perfect man. If you don't understand the Trinity, you certainly will not understand the dual nature of Christ.
Most catholics, I have encountered, are against scripture alone. Hmmm I am only using scripture. Seems to me your are the one quoting from external sources.
Very clever but not true. You hide your Mormonism and the book of Mormon yet complain our Catholic friends are "against scripture". While our Catholic friends may rely upon tradition more than scripture, they are anything else but being against scripture. And yet you will say you do not have external sources? Please.
Find me in the scriptures where it states man has "free will". And I'm the one who you say have external sources?
quote-SEVEN sabbaths shall be complete:
even unto the morrow AFTER the seventh sabbath shall ye NUMBER FIFTY DAYS;
and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord.
Thanks for that verse-
It’s written ‘Shall you number 50 days’...
Why don’t people after the 7th Sabbath, do what it says?
and number 50 days?
And the comments of your post, that one is to begin the count after rome’s saturday-
Is that how you or this group reads that verse? where is rome’s saturday in His Word? the answer to the last question is nowhere.
Is that verse saying you will get to 50 days after the 7th Sabbath? Or is that verse saying to number 50 days after the 7h Sabbath?
I ask because that little difference can make the difference with Pentecost.
And can actually link two feast days together- one in Exodus and one in Acts.
There is one way to read that, following a certain calendar, that has Exodus correlating perfectly with Acts 2. The account of the Feast in the Old Testament is in Exodus 32. And exodus 32 and Acts 2 is detailing the same feast/chag.
And antichrist Judaism and antichrist rome can’t teach that.
A little more on that in a bit.
With the focus on rome’s saturday, this group essentially just doesn’t believe Christ died on Passover- they believe He died on rome’s false good friday. and rome’s saturday to them is His weekly sabbath.
THAT IS WRONG. The Scriptures do not say that.
That is people placing Rome’s catechism and calendar above His Scripture.
They truly don’t believe the Word Became Flesh if they think Friday is His 6th Day. or ‘saturday’ is His 7th. That’s rome’s word becoming flesh.
If they can’t see the 3rd day from Passover is the first day after the weekly ‘Sabbath’, then they are as roman as any.
And back to Leviticus, that little blind spot keeps them from being able to see that the command in Leviticus is actually exposing their whole false 1st importance of the gospel (rome’s version that Christianity and Judaism and Islam and the world follows)
Truly Roman in every fiber of their being. They just can’t see it. They were born into roman citizenry and conformity. They haven’t come out at all. It’s been reinforced their entire lives.
Still stuck with the mother of harlots lies.
even proven by that chart and their inability see what’s in Leviticus.
(and btw, I didn’t comment on 2014 in that chart because I don’t have my 2014 calendar, but I do know that in 2014 this group also missed The Feast of Trumpets (should be September 26th) by a day (and then all the other fall days) as they day in 2015- thanks to His Creation, His Revelation 12 sign and His amazing Grace and mercy! same sign that showed up in 2016 that they appeared to finally get right with October 3rd)
Back to Pentecost-I will frame it this way about Pentecost-
When Moses came down the mount with the 2 tablets of the Covenant in His hands- on the Feast Day/chag that scripture says was declared- and about 3,000 men were killed:
Is that the same day the Holy Spirit came down on the Feast day in Acts 2- and about 3,000 souls were saved?
Because according to the Father’s calendar, and His correct understanding of the count to the chag/Feast of weeks in Leviticus, it is.
The same exact day.
antichrist Judaism and antichrist roman Christianity can’t say that. this group can’t say that.
Why can’t they say this? Because they have a 50 count that is naturally baked into rome’s false calendar- they will always confirm their understaning of that verse and only get 50 days exactly, after their roman false sabbath.
so, they stop there.
They don’t read that there appears to be a numbering of 50 days ‘after the 7th Sabbath’. And some scripture versions have corrupted that so much that it almost confirms the antichrist judaism and antichrist roman views, so they go no further.
But thankfully, we have His Word to test and prove all things!
When one follows the Father’s calendar, those two events- Exodus 32 and Acts 2 is the same day.
Only truly found using the Father’s calendar- Because the Father’s calendar doesn’t have exactly 50 days after the 7th Sabbath, unlike rome’s antichrist pope gregory calendar.
If they followed the Father’s calendar, people would have to read that command in Leviticus much differently.
He actually has a couple more days than exactly 50 when one counts 7 Sabbaths on His calendar.
And those days are called New Moon Days in His Word. (yes, back to the new moon days)
And because antichrist Judaism and antichrist rome again, do not understand His New Moon Day, or His calendar, they miss a rather big appointment EVERY YEAR- thinking they are actually keeping it!
quite a subtle work of the enemy. but that is what I’ve been blessed to see.
How the enemy works. and what satan makes the people of faith do each week, month, year, etc.
Back to Moses-
That event of Moses and the 3,000 slain, with simple math, wasn’t 50 days after Passover. I think antichrist judaism and antichrist rome would agree.
And yet, because of the rather prophetic ‘about 3,000 slain’ in Exodus and ‘about 3,000 saved’ in Acts, the Father connected those two events.
Religion doesn’t today. But His Word does.
Moses coming down the mount was least another 50 days after the 1st 50 days in the wilderness.
And that is what that command in Leviticus is actually stating.
‘Shall you number 50 days after the 7th Sabbath’
It may take new eyes to see it- but He is able to willing to do so.If He can let me see it, He can let anyone see it.
And that is why I stated that one can know with good assurance, when following His Word, that antichrist Judaism and antichrist Rome are wrong with pentecost.
And their antichrist calendars can make them miss major events like Pentecost-
And yet at times, they all can actually be so close to just be off by a day on certain feasts- and then be off by complete months- and yet, also have things fall in line.
That is the work that the enemy does when He changes times and laws.
And the group with the chart you provided, is no different in their blindness. They truly believe when they meet on rome’s saturday they are keeping His Sabbath-
But His Word can show they are no different than rome when rome meets on ‘sunday’. or islam, when islam meets of ‘friday’.
or when they all swing and miss like they did yesterday.
One note that may open some eyes- the Word Made Flesh used 30,60,100 in His Parable of the sower.
Not 30,50,90 like antichrist Judaism and antichrist roman christianity (all of christianity) follows.
Exodus has major events happening at 30,60,100.
antichrist judaism and antichrist rome never get to ‘60’- they are stuck on 50.
antichrist judaism and antichrist rome, and satan working through them, is leading you and your group, and the whole world, astray.
but He is merciful and gracious to all.
This group’s journey hasn’t taken themselves completely’out of her’ yet.
All for His Glory, He led me out!
saw this post after the 1st-
hopefully you read the first reply first, but had to comment on your post...
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Ponder this
What does the Bible say came first, the evening or the morning ?
Genesis 1:5; Genesis 1:8; Genesis 1:13; Genesis 1:19; Genesis 1:23; Genesis 1:31
The bible says ‘evening’ came first before morning-
but Yosemitest, what came first before ‘evening’ and ‘morning’ in Genesis 1:5?
DAY came first!
Light!
Work!
He did Work in the Day. in the Light.
Then there was ‘evening’ and ‘morning’.
What is the that word ‘evening’ in Hebrew?
According to His Word, That Hebrew word(ereb #6153) can mean ‘fading of the DAY’, sunset, evening. Twilight,etc.
Logic and His Word says, there has to be DAY BEFORE there can be ‘Fading of the DAY’, Yosemitest.
There has to be LIGHT before Twilight in the ‘evening’.
So, DAY(He called the Light DAY according to scripture) came before BOTH evening (fading of the DAY) and ‘morning’ (Dawn- new day)
That word morning can mean ‘dawn’ which is what we would describe as 1st sunlight..(boqer I believe is the Hebrew word-I believe #1242)
In essense, you and whoever you follow, have completely flipped His Creation account on its head! But religion does that. antichrist Judaism gets away with because of one bible verse that they twist to their blindness- but because they don’t have the Son, they don’t have the Father)
‘Evening and morning’ isn’t a Day in His Word!
Evening and morning (Fading of the Day/twilight/sunset and dawn) is describing the time of NIGHT or darkness!
the time between DAYs(or between light)
His Pattern in Genesis for His Days goes like this:
Light- Day, when He did His Work
Then Evening (fading of the Day )
Then darkness (called Night)
and then morning (dawn- new day)
His days begin with ‘Light’- He called Light ‘Day’, Yosemitest.
His days ends with the fading of the day. But His Word says He called the darkness Night-
Not day. the darkness is called night.
But again, your understanding is reconfirming your allegience to antichrist judaism and antichrist rome that begin their ‘days’ in the dark.
Truly prophetic testimony..and it can be proven to be false when one follows His Word.
And it doesn’t begin at ‘fading of the day’ or at midnight like antichrist judaism and antichrist rome teaches, respectively. Them starting their days in the dark is a perfect prophetic testimony to how they are stumbling on the cornerstone.
But it does explain their blindness to His calendar and yes, His New Moon Day.
His New Moon Day actually commemorates something in His Creation, in Genesis- something that is in the beginning- before His 1st Day. Before He said Let there be Light- Before He called the light ‘Day’..
Truly prophetic blindness.
I saw this post of yours after the previous post I made about pentecost-
so I do hope you don’t miss the previous comment I made about Pentecost.
but the same premise is found in both.
sorry, another post-
I missed your reference to genesis 2.
Depending on translations, Genesis 2 reads that Elohim finished His Work of Creation on the 7th Day.
And rested from all His Work on the 7th Day. That in essense is what your quoted web site details.
But, How does one square the 7th Day conflict?
One can’t finish all their work on the same day they rest from all their work, can they?
But, that is what His Word is saying there. If we read that carefully.
That appears to be a contradiction in His Word.
Now some translators have changed His Word to make that look less like a contradiction, but He built that contradiction into His Word, like a riddle/clue. something that we could seek and find.
If one tells times like the Father teaches, there are two 7th Days-not just one.
One 7th Day where the work week is completed. and one 7th Day where one can rest from all the work completed.
and these 2 ‘7th Days’ are actually right to next to each on His calendar.
That’s why 1+6+1 in Ezekiel 46:1, is being described in Genesis 2.
The 7th Day of the Father’s months is really the ‘6th’ and final work day of His 1st Week.
And the 8th Day of the Father’s month is really the Father’s ‘7th’ Day Sabbath, of His 1st week.
So Creation work being finished on the 7th Day-
And Him resting from all His work on the 7th Day-
Isn’t a contradiction but people/translators, if you search different versions, picked up that there appears to be a contradiction that they couldn’t square with how the world tells time.
They actually went the distance and changed the verses of Genesis 2 to make it make sense to those who only know of one 7th Day.
But, The Father’s calendar squares that contradiction very nicely.
He does it with two 7th Days on His calendar.
One that denotes the 7th day of His month.
One that denotes the 7th day of His week
So, He can actually complete and finish all His Work of Creation on the 7th Day.
And rest from all His Work of Creation on the 7th Day.
People would be blessed to know that those aren’t the same day.
Again, because people do not know that, some have even gone the distance to clean up genesis 2 and make it seem like He finished His work on the 6th Day- not the ‘7th’ Day like that verse clearly states.
But if they knew that the work of Creation was completed on the 7th Day, as it is written, they would see that the Son finishing His work of Redemption on the 14th Day, displays a pattern He is teaching His people.
And remarkably, the finishing work of Convicting the World of Sin, Righteousness and Judgment, the Work of the Holy Spirit, is going to end on the 21st day, following the pattern of Creation and Redemption.
And after 6 ‘days’ of that work, the Sabbath follows.
Just like the work of Creation and Redemption finished on His final work day before His 7th Day Sabbath, the Holy Spirit Work will finish on His ‘6th’ work day of the 3rd month (21st Day) and will lead us into the 7th Day (22nd Day)
Scripture calls one 22nd Day a ‘Sabbath’.
So does His calendar.
All for His Glory!
“eternally begotten”
That term is not just unscriptural, it’s contradictory. It’s like some theologians knew they couldn’t get away with removing the verses that say ‘begotten’, without being called out.
There’s a video of pastor Gino Jennings, of Philadelphia, reading modified verses from the homo produced “Queen James Bible”. The ‘editors’ of that book were justifying an opinion by tweaking the wording. Jennings tosses it in the trash at the end.
“God the Son” and “God the Holy Spirit (Ghost)” are also not found in the scriptures. Were those phrases created to help strengthen an opinion?
The “gotquestions” dude gave an opinion based on a preconceived notion, but no scripture references. I suppose I should send him the scriptures I pointed to in this thread, and see how he interprets them.
Where is the Father not at?
Are you “boatbums of Florida”, or “Florida the boatbums”?
Pinging you to this thread
And he redefined manna as two scoops of ice cream
Then ask to see his Quad.
Show him the very thing he is obsessing about is found FIRST among LDS Holy Scripture.
While this is sinking in, then ask; "Why is this here if it's so untrustworthy?"
You may also want to direct him here: https://www.mormon.org/free-bible?cid=99117142&s_kwcid=AL!3737!10!9143130558!21043497766&ef_id=WZBfgQAABd@pu7VY:20170816222116:s
THEN you get to ask them, "Why doesn't Headquarters (AKA the Living Prophet®) announce that GOD finally relented and WILL allow the Inspired Version© to replace the KJV in all of their Quads and other publishing?"
While this is sinking in...
There’s a Quad? Moreso than the Triple Combination? (I thought that was Wendy’s)
I’m sure that’s a so-called JST, no?
Wow - it’s KJV?
I am truly shocked.
What’s in the Triple?
Many Mormons have no idea they have a CREED of their own.
The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.
THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535541
Joseph Smith |
The Nicene Creed was originally written in Greek. Its principal liturgical use is in the context of the Eucharist in the West and in the context of both baptism and the Eucharist in the East. A modern English version of the text is as follows:
1. I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.
2. I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages.
3. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made.
4. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man.
5. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures.
6. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
7. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.
8. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.
9. I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
10. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come.
Amen.
Any Mormons reading this AWFUL thing want to tear it apart, line by line, and show the ERROR in it??
[that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent]
Is that going to be:
1) Salt Lake City, Utah, or
2) Independence, Missouri or
3) up near Gallatin, Missouri?
Well; his CITY is sure all wet!!!
...the inhabitants thereof were slain, and the places were left desolate.
THESE oughta be easy to find!
You're just HATEFUL!!!
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Original 1830 Edition, Book of Mormon |
Editions 1837, 1888, 1920, 1964, 1978 |
Title page |
Joseph Smith, Jr. The author and proprietor of this work |
Joseph Smith, Jr. the translator of this work |
Title page |
now if there be fault, it be the mistake of men... |
now if there are faults, they are the mistakes of men... |
1 Ne 13:40 |
the lamb of God is the Eternal Father |
the lamb of God is the son of the Eternal Father |
1Nephi 11:21 |
the Eternal Father |
son of the Eternal Father |
1 Nephi 11:32 |
the Everlasting God |
son of the Everlasting God |
1 Nephi 20:1 |
words added |
or out of the waters of Baptism |
2 Nephi 12:9 |
the mean man boweth down |
the mean man boweth not down |
Alma 29:4 |
Yea, decreeth unto them decrees which are unalterable |
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Alma 37:21,24 |
directors |
Interpreters |
Alma 30:16 |
it is the effects of a phrensied mind |
it is the effect of a frenzied mind |
Throughout B of M |
now there was seven churches |
now there were seven churches |
Throughout B of M |
there were no blood to shed |
there was no blood to shed |
Throughout B of M |
there is two churches |
there are two churches |
Throughout B of M |
and also much horses |
and also many horses |
Throughout B of M |
these things had not ought to be |
these things ought not to be |
Throughout B of M |
as I was a journeying |
as I was journeying ("a" removed) |
Throughout B of M |
They did prepare for to meet them |
They did prepare to meet them ("for" removed) |
Throughout B of M |
some have arrested the scriptures |
some have wrested the scriptures |
Throughout B of M |
when they had arriven |
when they had arrived |
Throughout B of M |
having no respects to persons |
having no respect to persons ("s" removed) |
Throughout B of M |
they had fell into great errors |
they had fallen into great errors |
Throughout B of M |
which was wrote upon the plates |
which was written upon the plates |
Throughout B of M |
they were exceeding fraid |
they were exceedingly afraid |
Throughout B of M |
they had began to possess the land |
they had begun to possess the land |
Throughout B of M |
this they done that they might provide food |
this they did that they might provide food |
Alma 23:1 |
nor neither of their brethren |
nor either of their brethren |
Mosiah 21:28; Ether 4:1 |
king Benjamin |
Mosiah (Benjamin was dead at this time) |
1 Nephi 12:18 |
Jesus Christ |
Messiah (Jesus had not yet been revealed to the Nephites) |
1 Nephi 20:1 |
come forth out of the waters of Judah |
or out of the waters of baptism (these words added after "Judah" |
2 Nephi 16:2 |
seraphims |
seraphim (verse copied from older copy of KJV which made a gramatical error) |
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