Posted on 08/05/2017 7:12:04 AM PDT by Salvation
The Word of God tells us that only believers may be baptized.
You do agree with God, correct?
And you do acknowledge that putting drops of water on an unbelieving infants head is in no way a Biblical, God-ordained baptism, right?
My sister, niece, and cousin were raised Catholic. I do not know if they believe in the Immaculate Conception, the Assumption, or any or the other Marian doctrines. I do know they are devout Christians. I believe that you are a Christian. I am also a devout Christian.
The Evangelicals who post on this thread do forget that by our common baptisms we are BOTH Christians and Catholics.
Are you aware that parents and God-parents speak the baby’s faith as he or she is being baptized. My priest baptized 26 babies today. Another church in my town baptized 56 children.
The Catholic Church is growing by leaps and bounds.
You can’t have faith for another. God says that only believers may be baptized.
It is impossible for God to lie, so who is wrong?
And I have a question for you.
Why is immersion the only form of baptism accepted in your view?
There are 3 forms of baptism that are all Biblical.
Thanks be to God!
Must be HUGH parishes in your home towm.
Is it possible for God to lie?
It is impossible.
So when God says that baptism is for believers, we know that only believers may be baptized, correct?
Amen and second it.
Amen and second it.
Specifically, Jesus doesn’t say that in Matt. 28:19.
The issue here is the understanding of what Baptism is.
Since I don’t know your background, I can’t comment of what you may or may not believe.
(For a fuller explanation, please see https://www.catholic.com/tract/infant-baptism from which I will reference below)
However, since the New Testament era, the Catholic Church has always taught that it is a sacrament which accomplishes several things, the first of which is the remission of sin, both original sin and actual sin—only original sin in the case of infants and young children, since they are incapable of actual sin; and both original and actual sin in the case of older persons.
The Bible tells in in several places entire families were baptized (Acts 16:15, Acts 16:33, 1 Cor. 1:16).
Additionally, the recorded practice of infant baptism has been around since at least 244 A.D.
Origen, for instance, wrote in the third century that “according to the usage of the Church, baptism is given even to infants” (Holilies on Leviticus, 8:3:11 [A.D. 244]). The Council of Carthage, in 253, condemned the opinion that baptism should be withheld from infants until the eighth day after birth. Later, Augustine taught, “The custom of Mother Church in baptizing infants is certainly not to be scorned . . . nor is it to be believed that its tradition is anything except apostolic” (Literal Interpretation of Genesis 10:23:39 [A.D. 408]).
Finally, even in the books of the New Testament that were written later in the first century, during the time when children were raised in the first Christian homes, we never—not even once—find an example of a child raised in a Christian home who is baptized only upon making a “decision for Christ.” Rather, it is always assumed that the children of Christian homes are already Christians, that they have already been “baptized into Christ” (Rom. 6:3). If infant baptism were not the rule, then we should have references to the children of Christian parents joining the Church only after they had come to the age of reason, and there are no such records in the Bible.
Baptism is for the forgiveness of sins including original sin. The baby becomes a believer. Plus also renewed at confirmation.
Acts 8 describes what must happen before one is baptized. It is not for any unbeliever.
Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Did not in Acts see whole households get baptized?
An infant can’t believe in something they have no ability to comprehend.
God says baptism is for believers. Is God a liar and men who write dogma considered “authorities?”
Or is God true?
It can’t be both.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+8%3A26-40&version=KJV
The one holy, Roman, and apostolic Church is the Catholic Church, the true Church, founded by Jesus Christ Himself. You will come to embrace this eventually. Prayers up for you,my brother.
(Not directed to Bigggirl)
Of course, none of this worthwhile discussion on Baptism has anything to do with Doctors of Church, the original thread.
As I asked another poster, I will ask generally, how do non-Catholics Protestants treat Protestants of different denominations? Is there the same vigor? What doctrinal disputes do they have?
What about Acts 16: 15,33 to include whole households?
Lydia’s household was baptized.
Thank-you fo the info and God Bless.
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