Posted on 07/17/2017 8:08:32 AM PDT by ebb tide
“Francis is more interested in leftwing politics than in Catholic theology”, George Neumayr, contributing editor of The American Spectator, states talking to Tom Woods on July 14th on tomwoods.com. Woods describes Francis as a result of John Paul II who - as he puts it - appointed "absolutely terrible people" as bishops: "Catholics have suffered under Bergoglios for decades now”.
Neumayr agrees that a lot of the liberal bishops were appointed by John Paul II and Benedict XVI. He sees Francis as the “culmination of a century” of liberalism and modernism in the Church.
For him it is "highly unlikely" that Francis, who in his theology is “more a Protestant than a Catholic” will convert to Catholicism. Instead, the realistic scenario is that Francis will produce division and chaos, "Catholics will have to decide whether they guard the faith over papolatry.”
And: “The Cardinals have to declare that Francis is a bad pope who must be resisted.”
Good day to you and goodbye. As I have told you before, I have not interest in discussing anything with you.
Who gets sensitive? I sure don't! Are you married? Do you have a mother in law? The Church is the Bride of Christ. We are at the Wedding Feast of the Lamb. So Christ's mother becomes our mother.
Our Lady is the daughter of God the Father. She is the mother of God the Son. She is the spouse of the Holy Ghost. The Holy Trinity dwells in her in a way that cannot be compared to any other soul in history.
ealgeone:
That is something that I do not know. My guess is the majority were baptized Catholic and taught the faith as young people. As some got older, some probably had fallen away, that does not make them beyond redemptions.
Some were true believers, yes, some maybe lukewarm, some had fallen away. But most of those who fought did so to defend Catholic Europe from Islamic invasion and threats. By every standard, the Crusades were a just war.
That does not mean individuals, even though the war was Just, did not do things that were unjust. WWII was a just war, but there were times when U.S. Serviceman killed POWs. the US directly bombed civilian cities, as did the British. None of those actions were morally just strictly speaking, even though the broader war to defeat Imperial Japan and Hitler’s Germany were both Just Wars, hence one could argue the culpability of the Bombing of Civilian cities is less, but still I would argue unjust. Civilians, unless they are shooting, are non-combatants and classic Catholic Just War Doctrine going back to Saint Augustine would consider it unjust.
A lot of Roman Catholics.
I sure don't! Are you married? Do you have a mother in law?
Irrelevant questions with nothing pertaining to Mary.
The Church is the Bride of Christ.
Agree.
We are at the Wedding Feast of the Lamb. So Christ's mother becomes our mother.
Mary is not our "mother". She is the mother of Christ.
This is another false teaching of Roman Catholicism.
She is the spouse of the Holy Ghost.
Wow. I really don't know what to say. This is wrong on so many levels.
Here they are:
"Be sure of this, that no immoral or impure or greedy person, that is, an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. (Ephesians 5:5)You stated: "The immoral or impure or greedy persons has no inheritance in the kingdom of God. That sure sounds like the lose of heaven to me.
You are not the only casual reader to make this inference.
The passage, however, doesn't say those who have come to faith and sin, will lose their place in the kingdom. Paul reminds the Ephesians of the importance of living holy lives and gives the reason that the unregenerate have no part in the kingdom. Paul uses this as a strong contrast between how believers should act against how unbelievers act - and the consequences for unbelievers.
Contrast the description here with the other passage you quoted, which is directed in particular at the "unrighteous."
I Corinthians 6:9-11...
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
These words were addressed to believers who were saved to tell them the seriousness of living a holy life.
Paul had already said that all believers have an inheritance in Christ (Ephesians 1:3–14).
To claim a truly saved person cannot and will not practice these vices or would lose salvation overlook the fact that some genuine believers - sadly - live carnal lives (cf. 1 Cor. 3:1–4).
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What is overlooked in the approach you advanced is the meaning and result of Christ's death and resurrection for the believer.
From the moment of saving faith, a complete identification occurs that results in:
forgiveness of all sins (including future)
a change of identity from the first Adam to the life of Second Adam
a transfer from death to life
a change from being an enemy of God to a son of God
an exhaltation to the heavenlies (for now positional) based on the imputed Righteousness of Christ
the sealing by the Holy Spirit unto the day to salvation
the ongoing intercession by Christ as our Advocate in the presence of the Father
and of course the Holy Spirit interceding for us, even when we do not know how to pray.This and so much more is the inheritance of Christ for the believer!
May you come to know the assurance of salvation through His grace alone and the full promise and security of eternal life, based on all He did.
Aquinas i not the pope, not is everything he taught Catholic doctrine, and can be subject to interpretation, while the one duty of the multitude is to allow themselves to be led, and, like a docile flock, to follow the Pastors.
It is not in any Pope’s power to modify the doctrine of the faith.
But what constitutes modifying versus clarifying is not to be determined by you, which leads to schism, as exampled by the SSPV in the light of what they see as some contradictions in part of V2 with certain historical RC teaching.
If he stays within his own authority, then he should be obeyed.
That too sees different interpretations. RCs are enjoined,
to suffer themselves to be guided and led in all things that touch upon faith or morals by the Holy Church of God through its Supreme Pastor the Roman Pontiff, who is himself guided by Jesus Christ Our Lord. ( CASTI CONNUBII, ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XI)
...when we love the Pope, there are no discussions regarding what he orders or demands, or up to what point obedience must go, and in what things he is to be obeyed ; when we love the Pope, we do not say that he has not spoken clearly enough, almost as if he were forced to repeat to the ear of each one the will clearly expressed so many times not only in person, but with letters and other public documents ; we do not place his orders in doubt, adding the facile pretext of those unwilling to obey – that it is not the Pope who commands, but those who surround him; we do not limit the field in which he might and must exercise his authority ; we do not set above the authority of the Pope that of other persons, however learned, who dissent from the Pope, who, even though learned, are not holy, because whoever is holy cannot dissent from the Pope. (Pope Saint Pius X, Allocution Vi ringrazio to priests on the 50th anniversary of the Apostolic Union, November 18, 1912, as found at http://www.christorchaos.com/?q=content/choosing-ignore-pope-leo-xiii-and-pope-saint-pius-x )
Also, there are different classes of magisterial teaching, and which level they belong to (a well as their meaning) can be subject to interpretation, and each require different degrees of assent relative to their certainty.
As asked before, do you instead affirm ascertaining the veracity of anything that is taught by examination of the warrant for it from your chosen authoritative documents?
A short point? I already did, just pick one of the distinctives missing in the record of what the NT believed. Perhaps you can find one example out of the many prayers therein or anyone praying to anyone of the multitudes of created beings in Heaven. Or why the Holy Spirit would not include even one among the approx. 200 prayers in Heaven in all of Scripture. Resorting to extrapolating this from praying for each other in the earthly realm is simply not going to do it.
What is deceitful about what I wrote?
And the Brown Scapular, as you seem to know, is not an indulgence but a sacramental.
Why didn't you just SAY that to begin with?
Hebrews 3:12
See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God.
Did NOT get roasted alive, have molten lead poured down his throat or rended on the rack!
I find that some of Rome's followers; who claim we would not even HAVE the Book if it hadn't been for Rome; to be a bit; shall we say; arrogant and boastful.
How many times do I have to post THIS before someone will actually READ it??!!??
These guys asked Jesus a DIRECT question; and He replied with a DIRECT answer:
John 6:25-40
25 When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?”
26 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
30 So they asked him, “What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31 Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’[c]”
32 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.”
35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”
And 'grace' is by 'good works'; Right?
I caution you NOT to do this!!
Just believe what your church tells you it means.
Others have read for themselves and shipwrecked their faith in Rome.
“Why didn’t you just SAY that to begin with?”
Because I was enjoying myself. :)
How ‘early’?
Ya know they’ll ALL be Catholic; of course.
12 Be careful then, dear brothers and sisters. Make sure that your own hearts are not evil and unbelieving, turning you away from the living God. 13 You must warn each other every day, while it is still “today,” so that none of you will be deceived by sin and hardened against God. 14 For if we are faithful to the end, trusting God just as firmly as when we first believed, we will share in all that belongs to Christ.
I only need observe that sin is deceptive, hardens us against God and is extremely serious. To live this way does not deprive the believer of salvation, but of the "sharing of all that belongs to Christ."
This is true on this globe and will be true in eternity when works are judged as to quality.
If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
I thought you posted; twice... #295 - #372
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