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Posted on 07/14/2017 9:12:35 AM PDT by fishtank
Hugh Ross Church Fathers: Old earther admits “poor quality” research by other old-earthers
Published: 13 July 2017 (GMT+10)
From time to time we receive emails from devotees of Dr Hugh Ross, probably today’s leading advocate of old-earth creationism. Please note that we take no pleasure in highlighting the following matters. But for the sake of integrity in the creation movement (the brand of creation promoted by Ross is called ‘Progressive Creationism’), we need to address challenges by devotees of Ross as if he is a source of infallible wisdom.
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Difficult to argue against physics and mathematics, which are inventions of God.
Are you taking the “old” or the “young” perspective?
I don’t know the age of the earth. I don’t know all the specifics and I don’t get caught up in it. And I don’t have a problem if others do get caught up in it.
Science is important to me but so is history. There is not a credible historian alive that would say Jesus didn’t walk this earth. I have no doubts that Jesus did. I also believe that Jesus was crucified, died, and he was resurrected in order to save us.
I’ve read plenty of books on creation but it really doesn’t change my faith one way or the other. Jesus is Lord.
Virtual or literal, I don’t have to profess a belief that one or the other is wrong. It is fine according to my belief that some mysteries we will never understand, but to not know G-d’s full meaning of them is O.K. It - virtual or literal “old earth” - won’t change the basic faith.
Creation does seem a better term. Though nothing without God.
It’s interesting to consider relativity in this respect, given the inflation concept of the creation event, in which for the briefest of instants prior to the “laws” of physics having been established, the universe had expanded exponentially, and then, within those laws, by E=mc², would have contained the same mass, but in a steadily increasing volume of space, decelerating to the point where we, from our frame of reference, currently observe it.
In this scenario, oddly enough, both old earth and new earth creationism can be “somewhat” born out.
What does seem odd to me, given the universe’s age by observations of galactic expansion rates at roughly 13.5 by or so, that we haven’t sampled any matter older than say, 5by, within our own galaxy, where one would think other external matter to have occasionally drifted into our vicinity.
Odd, this God, always bamboozling.
Nobody knows, but listening to Ross, you would think he was there to witness it all, he is so sure about it, hard to take his pompous lectures seriously, he thinks he knows everything about physics embracing concepts like dark energy, which given the electrical universe theory, dark energy is a made up fudge factor to explain away what they don't understand,
Astronomers have no idea how the planets form
https://youtu.be/YypyHEgEYzw
Good grief. Hugh Ross has never said he was infallible. But anything he offers is a lot better than the CERTAINLY-WRONG Bishop of Ussher 6,000-years-ago date for creation. Binding THAT on Christians as a salvation issue has got to be one of the worst sins of the church in the last 100 years.
Yep! 4.5 lbs of grey jello trying to understand how an infinitely wise Creator created a seemingly infinite universe.
All based on a condensed version of the creation account that would make Reader's Digest green with envy.
AND God had to explain the inexplicable in terms that could be translated so that our tiny, puny human brains could understand something that will forever be beyond our comprehension for every culture that ever existed on this planet, right down to the head hunters and cannibals in the Amazon rain forest and Paupau New Guinea.
Yet we’ve also come to understand a lot about the atom, have figured out how to light our cities and gone beyond Pluto with our spacecraft.
A decided step up from head hunters and cannibals.
I believe God would have us understand from whence we came.
And in terms of humans compared to God it’s about the difference between a flea and an ant being able to understand humans.
So give up. No one’s stopping you.
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