[teppe]

As an LDS Non-Creed Christian, it is clear that the only reason why you would try to impose this view on the scriptures is to twist them to conform with the Nicene Creed.

Christ was resurected in the flesh. There’s no where that says that he ditched his body.

The only reason why you can’t accept that is because Christ with a ressurected body conflicts with homoousis (sp?) of the Nicene Creed.

I say, throw away the creeds, and read the scpriptures anew.... and if you really want to know what Christ is up to lately, call up the Mormon Missionaries for a chat! :)

[Arthur McGowan]

The bodily, human Jesus does not conflict with the Nicene Creed because when the Creed says the Word or Son or Logos is consubstantial with the Father, it is speaking of the fact that God is one substance. The hypostatic union of the Logos with a human nature does not affect the unity of the three divine Persons in the one substance of God.

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

...call up the Mormon Missionaries for a chat!

BS!

[Bayard]

>>>The only reason why you can’t accept that is because Christ with a ressurected body conflicts with homoousis (sp?) of the Nicene Creed.<<<

Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed of 381 does not imply in any way that Jesus was not fully man and did not rise bodily (ἀναστάντα) "anastánta." The implied sense is of one who rises again from rest.

No where in the Creed is there even implied attempt to advocate Adoptionism or any flavor of Monarchism. Also your word Homoousis doesn't imply that Jesus was not fully man. The rest of the creed would be unintelligible otherwise.

[tjd1454]

A couple of your fellows knocked on my door the other day. We had a respectful chat. I informed them in a friendly way that I had spoken with numerous of their coreligionists through the years, and suggested they really didn’t want to get started with a “Bible study” with me, several degrees in theology (including earned Ph.D), college-level teaching, etc.

They wisely backed away, and we parted most congenially. You see, a religion founded by a nineteenth-century serial adulterer who admittedly was terrified by demonic spirits who were deceiving him (yes, Google it) can never hope to supplant Biblical Christianity.

[tjd1454]

BTW the Nicene Creed is one of the most brilliant summaries of Christian beliefs ever composed, far surpassing the babblings of some nineteenth-century hack from rural New York.

[Elsie]

As an LDS Non-Creed Christian, it is clear that the only reason why you would try to impose this view on the scriptures is to twist them to conform with the Nicene Creed.

Now that is about as untrue as it gets.

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Here is MORMONism's own creed:

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Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 

THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541

 

 

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
   
2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
   
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
   
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
   
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
   
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
   
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
   
8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
   
9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
   
10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
    
11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
    
12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
    
13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

 

[Elsie]

As an LDS Non-Creed Christian, it is clear that the only reason why you would try to impose this view on the scriptures is to twist them to conform with the Nicene Creed.

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Please; teppe; point out any ERROR that you've been taught exists in this 'creed'.

 

It would really prove the superiority of Mormonism!

 

 

The Nicene Creed was originally written in Greek. Its principal liturgical use is in the context of the Eucharist in the West and in the context of both baptism and the Eucharist in the East. A modern English version of the text is as follows:

1. I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

2. I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages.

3. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made.

4. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man.

5. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures.

6. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

7. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.

8. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.

9. I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.

10. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come.

Amen.

[Elsie]

There’s no where that says that he ditched his body.

MORMONism claims that the FATHER has a physical body; too.

I wonder why HE never seems to show up except once in a grove?