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To: piusv

piusv:

I am not actually disagreeing with you. I understand partially with that Francis is doing in the case I described above. Someone is showing signs of seeing marriage in the Catholic sense and rather than turn them away, allowing the person to partake Holy Communion could be what finally gets the person to get a valid annulment.
It is a merciful gesture by the Church. So rather than turning that person away and causing him and her to move further away from getting their marriage valid sacramentally, they move to finally get it done.

As for why some people don’t go get a valid annulment, to be quite honest, given the state of catechesis the last 40 years, I am not sure most understand what an annulment says. There are still people who think it means that any children are illegitimate, that is nonsense, the terms “bastard” come out English common law and have to do with legal rights inheritance, or in the case of kings and princes, who could succeed in the order political leadership. Regardless of what common law says or does not says, if a couple had a child together, that child is theirs. Period.

Now the question I have with Pope Francis apostolic letter is how does this get implemented from diocese to diocese. Can some priests and bishops use this letter to justify and let everyone receive communion, then that would be a problem.

Sort of like only Nixon could go to China, Reagan could enter détente with Gorbachev, I would have much rather the pastoral letter be issued the late John Paul II or Benedict, because I would trust them to ensure that the implementation of it did not become a reason to allow all Catholics in irregular marriages to receive communion

btw, good questions and discussion, really got me thinking.


53 posted on 07/02/2017 7:47:44 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: CTrent1564
But you do disagree with me.

The Church has never used Holy Communion as a way to get someone to repent, change their ways, and seek out an annulment. She has never allowed a person who is objectively in mortal sin to receive communion. That couple may attend mass as they work towards righting their situation, but they can not receive communion until the marriage is annulled. Period. Yes, black and white. Not grey. That's how the Catholic Church works. That's how you make sure there is unity.

What Francis is doing is completely novel and goes against Catholic teaching. Under no circumstances should any Catholic support it or explain it away as even possibly valid.

54 posted on 07/02/2017 8:02:29 AM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: CTrent1564
Someone is showing signs of seeing marriage in the Catholic sense and rather than turn them away, allowing the person to partake Holy Communion could be what finally gets the person to get a valid annulment.

That's the problem. They're not seeing marriage in a "Catholic sense" and neither does Bergoglio.

55 posted on 07/02/2017 8:06:27 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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