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To: imardmd1; the_daug
Which of any of the days? Actually, before Moses, who knew when the seventh day occurred?

Adam knew and handed down that information through oral tradition. Catholics are big on oral tradition so they probably already knew this. God would not give a Commandment that we have no way of completing due to lack of a calendar. He is a fair and just God. If through neglect the Sabbath was forgotten, it was re-instituted when Moses came onto the scene. We have clay calendars that go back that far, so we're in the clear. Also Jesus would have corrected it if needed. Obviously that was not the case. So we can be sure we are observing the same Sabbath that God rested on at Creation. And will do so continually throughout eternity.

99 posted on 06/28/2017 2:32:15 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Rehab is for quitters.)
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To: BipolarBob; the_daug; Iscool
imardmd1: Which of any of the days? Actually, before Moses, who knew when the seventh day occurred? Post #94

BipolarBob: Adam knew and handed down that information through oral tradition. Post #99

Poo. No one knows whether God instructed Eve as to the Garden rules, or whether Adam did as a prophet, but the way she retold the commandment was totally messed up, thus allowing her to be deceived by the serpent. That should show you that "oral tradition" apart from the Written and God-Approved Scripture is twisted even in the first repetition.

BB, this kind of answer to my question is just theological vaporware, no substance to it at all. To me, your opinion on this is less than worthless--it is very harmful.

Bipolar Bob: Catholics are big on oral tradition so they probably already knew this. Post #99

And we know where that has taken them: into long, deep, and continuous error, especially as the place their opinion from it as an authority superior to the Holy Scriptures (as your slant on this does for your claims proceeding from between your ears). Their doctrine is essentially of salvation through "good" (?) works (as your argument does), and thus is not saving at all (like yours).

Bipolar Bob: If through neglect the Sabbath was forgotten, it was re-instituted when Moses came onto the scene. Post #99

First, there is not on iota of information that there ever was a Sabbath or of a commandment from God about it in Scripture until God gave it to Moses on the Holy Mount. Even before that,

(1) For one thing, humans today would not have one inkling of the origins of the race had not Moses written it down, having received it directly from The God "I AM" or from his personal experience.

(2) Moses did not seem to know if there was a particular day for rest, when he asked Pharaoh (Ex. 5:3) to release the Israelites to go out into the desert to worship El Shaddai (for it was not until the day of Moses that He had disclosed His Name "Jehovah" to anyone; Gen. 17:1, 28:3, 35:11, 43:14, 48:3, Ex. 6:3). Any day would have done, and why three days journey out? Because it would be three days back, plus one worship day there, which would be seven days.

And would they rest on that day? Sure, because in contrast, Pharaoh's determination was to work them to death. That is why God sent Moses to them (Ex. 3:8-10). Not only had the Israelites not a Sabbath (they apparently slaved for Pharaoh seven days per week, Ex. 3:7-9). If they had been commanded by El Shaddai to be resting every seventh day, would they ever have been deluded into servitude from the freedom they had under Joseph, some 400 years before? There is no Scriptural intimation that they were clashing about that, eh?

How they knew they had a different God than the Egyptians was that they bore the physical sign of El Shaddai's Covenant with Abram/Abraham, but in all that story in Genesis, there is not a hint of a sabbath or of honoring one day a week above the others. Nor was there any oral tradition handed down anywhere along the line from Adam.

El Shaddai was to be honored every day in the Garden or out of it, and from time to time, because of Sin sacrifices were made, starting with the slaying of animals for clothing our federal head, Adam (and Eve).

But no particular day is given for it, not even in Genesis 3, all of which was given by Jehovah to Moses for the God-breathed written history that we now have. Oral tradition counts zero.

Does The Father take off a day to rest every seventh day? I doubt it. Jesus said "My Father worketh hitherto, and I work" (Jn. 5:17 AV)(in the present tense, meaning "constantly" without a break, in both uses). Do the Spirit of God or Jesus take a break from praying for us every "Sabbath" (Rom. 8:26-28,34; verbs in the present tense)? Did Paul, the writer of this epistle take time off from praying for the Roman church, nor any other of the churches he planted, nor of the disciples that he made? I think not:

"For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers; . . ." (Rom. 1:9).

But now, look at this:

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose" Here, also the word "sunergo", meaning "work together" is also in the present tense. "All things" does not stop working every seventh day. Jesus is equated with leading sheep, as the Great Shepherd (Heb. 13:20-21). Des a shepherd quit working on the Sabbath?

Bipolar Bob: We have clay calendars that go back that far, so we're in the clear.

You do? If you claim this as fact, the time is now for you to come up with a verifiable example of it. Or any example of hieroglyphics, or Sanskrit, or odes from the Greek or Roman poets and writers before the Age of Grace, that illustrate exactly that there really was a Sabbath observed in their cultures. So, do it, before claiming this again, please.

Bipolar Bob: Also Jesus would have corrected it if needed. Obviously that was not the case. So we can be sure we are observing the same Sabbath that God rested on at Creation.

More non-information smoke-and-mirrors presumptuous unsupported claims. It is by the Holy Spirit that Christ's churches have preferred, in their Christian liberty, to gather for The Remembrance on the first day of the week, in honor of the outpouring by the Indwelling Holy Ghost. But every day is just as holy, to the Biblical follower of Jesus, who worked on the Jewish Sabbath through preaching, teaching, healing, and travelling.

Bipolar Bob: And will do so continually throughout eternity.

You (plural) will?

Firstly, there are millions of humans observing the Sabbath of this time who, through lack of being regenerated by the Holy Ghost through Faith in Jesus, God's Messiah, will never observe it again while they are eternally toasted.

Secondly, there is no night or time in God's Heaven, so it is there either an eternal Sabbath, or there is none. But if it is, it will not be one of the kind you are claiming. IMHO.

And note, the reason one goes to all this effort is just to point out the holes in your doctrine of Sabbatarianism, as does the writer of the piece that was initially posted. I recommend that the readers scrutinize it carefully before responding only to the abstract.

107 posted on 06/29/2017 3:59:46 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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