Posted on 06/20/2017 7:27:52 PM PDT by marshmallow
After the Council, the Church thought it was better to 'redeem' abuser priests than to punish them, Mgr Peter Smith claimed
A priest has told the Scottish Child Abuse Inquiry that the reforms of the Second Vatican Council contributed to the Church’s “horrible mistakes” on abuse.
According to the Scottish Catholic Observer, Mgr Peter Smith, former chancellor of Glasgow archdiocese, said the Church accepted conventional wisdom of the 1970s that it was “better to repair the [abuser], to fix them or to redeem them”, than punish them. In that era priests accused of abuse could be sent for therapy rather than face criminal charges.
The Second Vatican Council, Mgr Smith said, “made a significant difference to the whole way that the Church proceeded … [It] asked us to proceed pastorally and [be more] caring for people”, rather than having an earlier “legalistic” approach.
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Vatican II was a cease-fire unfortunately.
No, it’s not just a Vatican 2 issue.
It’s been going on in Catholicism for a thousand years.
NOTHING has changed as is evidenced by what Peter Damiain has had to say.
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A heart breaking affair, this Vatican II thing. I will never get it. How is it that what was “suppose” to be so good could be so badly subverted, overnight, it seems?
Happily collapsed, the Church of millennia is but a dim memory for most modernist Catholics who don’t experience the loss.
That's not the only scandal VC II has contributed to. And it's darn "spirit" is haunting Catholics to this day.
The perplexity is shared widely by postconciliar Catholics.
I hope this helps:
The problem is found at the root and it is called apostacy.
The devil “knows his time is short” and has orchestrated a master plan for obtaining as many souls as possible for hell in the end of times.
Jesus Christ our Lord foretold of a time when such events would take place.
With VII men were put in place who are not Catholic who at best are apostates in succession appearing as pope but in reality were anti-popes in position for destruction, not shepherding.
So-o-o-o many sheep are not of the Catholic fold but think they are.
The good news is that small pockets of bishops and priests have been preserved by the Immaculate Heart of Mary to continue the Church as it was under the authority of Pope Pius XII which is the right approach, as he is the last pope who was not apostate nor heretic nor schismatic nor non-Catholic.
Such Masses and sacraments as are under the Church’s authority, as the proper thing to do is to remain under past popes until a true pope is elected.
A Catholic may locate a priest who practices the true religion and refrain from any involvement in post conciliar structure, and his soul will be most safe, as he cooperates with the graces of God.
It’s a problem in any organization: once gay men (and now, women) get into power, they tend to form a clique that soon turns the whole enterprise into one giant gay bathhouse, where the focus of everything becomes sex. It’s especially a problem in organizations that are single-sex (a religious order, for example) and the reason you read so much about it from the saints is that they knew it was a danger and they knew that the Church had to be watchful at all times.
Vatican II - the worst parts of which were pushed through by a “progressive” mafia which was largely gay - simply threw all these thousands of years of wisdom and caution out the window and adopted the secular approach current at the time (the awful Sixties). Also, they replaced Christ with Freud, and while Freud thought homosexuality was a sign of immaturity, he thought that the basis for all human activity was sex and the quest for sex and the resentment of anything that might stand between the person and sex (the father, that is, authority, for example).
Overturn Vatican II. Reject it outright as a heretical counsel, withdraw all its documents, and start over. It destroyed the Church slowly for 50 years, and Francis is just its speeded-up fulfillment.
Can't argue with that......
Having said that, I can absolutely see it's (perhaps indirect) influence in this "pastoral" idea set forth in the OP. When the putative hierarchy doesn't truly hold the Faith and is perverted in more ways than one, is it any wonder?
Nothing was “subverted”. The Council was never a good thing. most Catholics were just bamboozled into thinking that it was.
I missed Vatican II entirely, as a disinterested protestant at the time.
What I hear of it now, as a Catholic, generally seems to land only on the addition of the local language, as if VII when called together had nothing else in mind to do. However, the two large volumes of the VII documents argue against that tiny point.
Regardless, the Sacraments were vandalized. To my own mind, the Sacraments are the womb that carries the entire Christian faith, of His people the elect, our story, our sacred Tradition and our practices, through which the constant Presence of our Lord provides His care and feeding to His people. These Holy things increase our faith and hope, without presumption, and bear us up and birth us into Heaven, our home in God, our Salvation.
Yes, most folks think the only change in Vatican II was the change from Latin to the local language in the Mass.
Bzzt. Wrong. Sooooo wrong. So sad that so many Catholics are so clueless.
I had no idea you were Jewish, during VII. Thanks. Miraculous that we are converts, given the times then, and the deterioration since.
Thanks be to God.
Since then, I have converted to the Catholic Faith as it was prior to Vatican II....Miraculous indeed.
:-D
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