Posted on 06/19/2017 10:24:21 PM PDT by righttackle44
If and when the Rapture of the Church occurs and Christians are spirited off the face of the earth to Heaven, how will the secular governments and media explain the phenomenon? Millions of people will suddenly be gone from the societies and populations of the earth. Many who thought or said that they were Christians, will still be here.
No born-again Christians will be here.
The Billy Graham article is cited to provide information.
Yeah, it pretty matter of factly is talking about the Second Coming, the ONLY one Christ spoke of.
My point was that they escaped the Godly Judgement of man back then. He provided the “escape”. Same for Lot and his family.
Same will happen for all true Christian believers alive when the last trump sounds.
***You commented on an article concerning the Rapture. I thought you might find related information of interest.
I examine this subject in detail at “The Rescue of the Bride” http://october-5-2017.com
In my opinion, we do not have sufficient Biblical support to pinpoint the exact date and time of the Rapture. However, we can assign Gregorian calendar dates to certain events described in the Bible. These events allow us to know the date range within which other events, including the Rapture, must occur. We just cannot determine, with certainty, the exact date and time of the Rapture.
The Great Sign of the Woman (Revelation 12:1-2) appears on September 23, 2017 exactly at sunset in Jerusalem - exactly at the end of Rosh Ha Shanah, exactly at the time of the blowing of “the last trump.”
1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
Revelation 12:1-2
Even though our Gregorian calendars show that Rosh Ha Shanah will begin at sunset on September 20, I strongly believe that the two (2) day observance of Rosh Ha Shanah will start one day late this year, on September 21.
Rosh Ha Shanah is a two (2) day celebration. It runs Tishrei 1 and Tishrei 2 on the Hebrew calendar. However, traditionally, Tishrei 1 cannot begin unless two reliable witnesses tell the temple priests that they have seen the first sliver of the new moon.
For the year 2017, Hebcal.com shows that Tishrei 1 begins on Wednesday, September 20 at sunset. However, from the following analysis, we can determine that Tishrei 1 will not begin on September 20.
From September 20 at 5:30 UTC (new moon, 0% illuminated) to September 20 at 15:40 UTC (sunset, Jerusalem) the moon’s illumination only grows from 0.00% to 0.75%. During this time, the moon will be in conjunction with the sun. The tiny lighted sliver of moon will be washed out by the sun and hidden by blue sky. The blue mid-day sky and the brightness of the sun will make it impossible to see the moon at all.
Bottom line: There will be no witness to a new moon on September 20, 2017. Tishrei 1 will not begin on Wednesday, September 20. Instead, it will begin the following day, Thursday, September 21, 2017 at sunset.
Remember that Rosh Ha Shanah is a two (2) day celebration. This means that Rosh Ha Shanah will end two (2) days later on Saturday, September 23, 2017 at sunset. Sunset on that day is at 15:36 UTC. This will be the time when the last trumpet will be blown - the “twinkling of an eye” moment. By sunset, the moon will have moved to a position that is at or below the feet of Virgo. This will complete The Great Sign of the Woman (Revelation 12:1-2).
In my opinion, this is a likely “rescue/rapture” date***
So I see you are using Scripture, the Hebrew Calendar and the Gregorian Calendar to work out this scheme. What bothers me the most however, is to see people use Scripture as a divination tool, which is sacrilege.
If those of you who are so determined to figure out the exact day Christ will return hoping you don’t have to die or be persecuted would spend as much time “working out your Salvation with fear and trembling” as St Paul instructed as you do twisting the Bible into your own personal Crystal ball you’d be a lot better off.
>>> Why should we consider the Rev. 12 prophecy using Astrology symbols?
It’s not Astrology. God said He put the stars in the heavens for signs.
Astrology is a corrupt version of the story God wrote that is displayed in the heavens.
>>> If there was a red dwarf approaching earth, why is it not visible yet?
It’s position relative to us has it near the sun... so it cannot be seen with naked eye... but it can be seen with infrared... and all that access is restricted or blocked.
We won’t see it until it crosses the eliptical... hence it is referred to as the planet of the crossing.
btw.. i don’t claim to be a 100% believer in all this Nibiru stuff.... its very interesting to follow, and I find some very strong evidence including biblical references that make it a very strong possibility... thats all.
BOOK OF ENOCH
Parable of Enoch on the Future Lot of the Wicked and the Righteous
CHAPTER I.
1. The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed. 2. And he took up his parable and said--Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is for to come.
Jeremiah 16:19 O YHVH, my strength and my fortress,
My refuge in the day of affliction,
The Gentiles shall come to You
From the ends of the earth and say,
“Surely our fathers have inherited lies,
Worthlessness and unprofitable
יְהוָה עֻזִּי וּמָעֻזִּי וּמְנוּסִי בְּיוֹם צָרָה אֵלֶיךָ גּוֹיִם יָבֹאוּ מֵאַפְסֵי־אָרֶץ וְיֹאמְרוּ אַךְ־שֶׁקֶר נָחֲלוּ אֲבוֹתֵינוּ הֶבֶל וְאֵין־בָּם מוֹעִיל
O YHVH, my strength and my fortress,
My refuge in the day of affliction
affliction/tribulation tsarah צָרָה
Matthew 24:21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.
כִּי אָז תִּהְיֶה צָרָה גְדוֹלָה אֲשֶׁר כָּמוֹהָ לׂא־נִהְיְתָה מֵרֵאשִׁית הָוֹלָם וְעַד־עַתָּה וְכָמוֹהָ לׂא תוֹסִף
Great tribulation, tsarah gadol צָרָה גְדוֹלָה
Revelation 2:20 Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent.
22 Behold, I cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of her works.
הִנְנִי מַפִּיל אׂתָהּ לְמִשְׁכָּב וְאֶת־הַמְנָאֲפִים עִמָּהּ בְּצָרָה גְדוֹלָה אִם־לׂא יָשׁוּבוּ מִמַּעֲשֵׂיהֶם
Great tribulation, gadol tsarah צָרָה גְדוֹלָה
Except they repent שׁוּבוּ of her works...
A (very) sad aspect of Yeshua's address to Thyatira is that the 'teachers' who teach Jezebel's curriculum (including rapture) are not included in the church! They are outside.
O YHVH, my strength and my fortress,
My refuge in the day of affliction/tribulation
There's our protection!
So that's three prophets and The Messiah vs. a traveling salesman, if this was a poker game the rapture crowd folds!
We need to gather the 'sane' people (in this forum) to provide information to survive what's coming, Jeremiah 16:19 is a start. After all, The Lord's Prayer says 'Your kingdom come' not your kingdom run.
Thanks again!
***Catholics, Presbys, Lutherans & Reformed opted out & bought into Replacement theology a long time ago).***
You’ve got that backwards.
>> This is all true, but is quite beside the point. It’s a smokescreen, to avoid the real question: is the dispensational conception of the taking up, aka “rapture”, of the church supported by scripture?<<
No, it’s exactly on point, a specific answer to a specific question. Time after time preterits will make this deceptive allegation. They’re wrong again.
FreedomStar3028,
The Great Tribulation has not yet begun. From my calculations, I think that it begins on September 5, 2017.
Jesus is NOT coming back this year. He descends from Heaven at the end of The Great Tribulation. We are nowhere near that event.
You are correct. Major prophecies have not yet been fulfilled.
More, I DO NOT KNOW the day or the hour of the Coming of the Son of Man, or the Rapture, or the Rescue of the Bride. I DO NOT claim to be a prophet.
You are welcome to read my “The Rescue of the Bride” article at http://october-5-2017.com
Blessings to you and your loved ones.
Dan :-)
***3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.
5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?***
It doesn’t get any clearer than that. Which is why no one else responded to it. You can’t cherry pick a verse here or there. Context means everything.
Lil Flower,
You have judged a matter before you have even heard it.
I DO NOT KNOW the day or the hour of the Coming of the Son of Man, or the Rapture, or the Rescue of the Bride. I DO NOT claim to be a prophet.
My comment and my ministry have absolutely nothing to do with “the exact day Christ will return.” I make that perfectly clear as part of “The Rescue of the Bride” article at http://october-5-2017.com#theDayAndTheHour
Check it out and then see if your comment to me is still warranted.
You are welcome to read my “The Rescue of the Bride” article at http://october-5-2017.com
Blessings to you and your loved ones.
Dan :-)
After posting that many, many times I finally put it in notepad and linked it to my desktop.
It’s hard. Truth is a double-edged sword. It breaks your heart but once you are open to His truth, there is no turning back. I always read the whole chapter of everything referenced when learning and my Strong’s concordance is with my Bible. I do it even if it is Charles Stanley or R.C. Sproul or Ravi Zacharias. We are still human.
P.S. no one responded to my post #101 either. When Jesus returns it is not the end times, it is the end of THIS AGE. It will be like the ending of the age before the flood. Afterwards, everything was different. Everything.
One verse taken out of context more than any other. But hey, you’re allowed.
I thank you but I will have to pass because I don’t believe in the Rapture. It’s a made up doctrine from the 1800’s. And I don’t agree with using Scripture for divination purposes.
Scripture says every tribe of every Nation will see Him. Nothing secret about it.
It actually is sad to me. We need to prepare for what’s coming and pray that we will be able to stand with help of the Holy Spirit.
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No one will have to explain the day of Trumpets to anyone!
All will see it, and there will be massive gnashing of teeth among dispensationalists.
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Then why are you saying the last trumpet is in September 2017?
I’ve read that whole theory about signs in the heaven. Not sure that I buy into it.
That would be before the first trumpet, right?
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No “crystal ball” needed.
Yeshua told his disciples that he would return on Tishri 1.
Tishri 1 is always the new moon that begins the 7th Biblical month.
That is what “watching” is all about (Rev 3:3)
Learn the Biblical calendar, and you will be on the path to understanding.
When you see the “man of sin” stand on the mercy seat of the Ark, you will have 3-1/2 years to prepare.
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The Last Trumpet cannot be until 2024.
The 70th Sabbath has not yet even started (But will this year)
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