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HOW TO ACT TOWARDS INVALIDLY MARRIED CATHOLICS [Catholic Caucus]
The Liguorian ^ | March 17, 1957 | Donald F. Miller, C.SS.R.

Posted on 06/16/2017 8:55:05 AM PDT by ebb tide

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To: Freee-dame
Did you not read the article? Are you a Catholic?

Thus, it must not be thought that in all cases of invalidly married relatives or friends, Catholics should completely ostracize and avoid them. Saint Paul, in one of the admonitions quoted above, commands Christians not to look upon sinners as enemies, but rather to admonish them as brothers.

21 posted on 06/16/2017 2:32:23 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: piusv
Ahhhh, pre-Vatican II Catholic teaching.

And see how Catholics today are attacking that teaching, here on this forum?

22 posted on 06/16/2017 2:34:01 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide
I could never understand the Catholic church's stance on divorce. My dad was raised a devout catholic, was an alter boy, and married in a Catholic church.

That all changed when he divorced my mom back around 1955 and he was kicked out of the church.

23 posted on 06/16/2017 2:47:42 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (If a cow ever got the chance, heÂ’d eat you and everyone you ever cared about.)
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To: af_vet_1981

What are you even talking about? Where does the 1957 teaching even suggest anything you are?


24 posted on 06/16/2017 2:53:21 PM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: Hot Tabasco

This is a Catholic Caucus. Are you a Catholic?


25 posted on 06/16/2017 2:55:33 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: piusv
What are you even talking about?

Adultery

Where does the 1957 teaching even suggest anything you are?


I wondered if it were left out somewhere in Part 2 Section 3, between severing all relations and a complete break.
26 posted on 06/16/2017 3:03:29 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: ebb tide

Is a marriage that is never consummated valid?


27 posted on 06/16/2017 3:08:29 PM PDT by Flag_This (Liberals are locusts.)
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To: ebb tide
    Answered
  1. The Catholic Catechism compares Muslims to Catholics.
  2. Adultery was mentioned. Stoning was the Biblical punishment for adultery. It would seem the terms go together.
  3. Never trust anyone over 60 (with exceptions).

28 posted on 06/16/2017 3:12:08 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

You’re talking about a post 1957 catechism. It’s worthless.


29 posted on 06/16/2017 3:17:48 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: af_vet_1981
The Catechism of the Council of Trent
30 posted on 06/16/2017 3:26:26 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: af_vet_1981

You were sincerely wondering whether stoning was left out? Really?


31 posted on 06/16/2017 3:33:45 PM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: ebb tide
This is a Catholic Caucus. Are you a Catholic?

No I'm not.......does the nature of my real life experience preclude me from mentioning it on this forum?

If so, I apologize and will move on........

32 posted on 06/16/2017 3:40:35 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (If a cow ever got the chance, heÂ’d eat you and everyone you ever cared about.)
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To: af_vet_1981

What in the heck is the difference between “severing all relations” and a “complete break”?


33 posted on 06/16/2017 3:42:26 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide
I assume you are fortunate enough not to have to work, or else you work in a field which is completely unrelated to weddings and marriage.

Even if it is possible, or by your view required, that all good Catholics board up their wedding-supporting businesses or quit their wedding-supporting jobs, then how happy will you be knowing that the only people in the wedding business have no conception of what true marriage is? How tragic is that?

I trust that your underground bunker has a sufficient supply of beans, bullets, bullion, and TP. Good luck with that until the anarchists suss you out.

34 posted on 06/16/2017 5:24:22 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

I’m an engineer. And I don’t comprimise my religion or my soul for anything, including the government.


35 posted on 06/16/2017 5:32:54 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
I assume you are fortunate enough not to have to work, or else you work in a field which is completely unrelated to weddings and marriage.

Do you believe a Catholic priest is obliged to perform a marriage ceremony for two dudes if the "state" demands it?

36 posted on 06/16/2017 8:04:51 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide
Of course not, and fortunately it hasn't come to that ... yet.

I am also upset that bakers have to bake cakes for gay "weddings", etc. but I have the luxury of not owning a bakery or working for a bakery.

These are all very tough questions because people have got to make a living and we are no longer living in a Christian nation. I really don't know what the answer is. I imagine it is something that can and must be decided on a case-by-case basis, but it certainly isn't easy.

Take the case of a Catholic baker. Some bakeries only survive because they make expensive cakes for special occasions such as wedding receptions. Most if not all of these Catholic bakers have at one time or another unknowingly made a cake for a couple of Catholics who were not validly married. I know of no bakers who go out of their way to ask anyone that comes in for a wedding cake if they are Catholic and if their marriage will be deemed valid in the eyes of the Church. Do you?

From what you've typed you would declare that all of these Catholic bakers are in danger of going to Hell. But if they did ask probing questions, as you imply they must, then they will no doubt be sued out of business. And what if it is a family owned business that they've run for decades?

Easy for you or me to tell them to just close shop and try and get a job as a greeter for Walmart.

37 posted on 06/16/2017 8:31:58 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

I never implied asking probing questions.

Please stop making stuff up.


38 posted on 06/16/2017 8:42:43 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide
So then you agree with my earlier point: Don't ask, don't tell.

But I thought you explicitly disagreed with that point.

Or do you not understand the rules of logical inference?

39 posted on 06/16/2017 8:44:30 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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