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To: nonsporting
You didn’t give the chapter and verse references which would help.

Yes, I did.

All the scriptural references are linked at the bottom.


59 posted on 06/10/2017 6:35:43 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

You continue to ignore the simple request to use a recognized means of posting Scripture. See the confusion it causes?


61 posted on 06/10/2017 6:41:53 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: af_vet_1981
"...all the references are at the bottom".

That is non-standard. Here is a more helpful way to reference:

42 Watch therefore: ... (Matthew 24:42-51)

You can include the verse numbers within, or simply site the passage at the bottom of EACH.

In Matthew 24 these were unfaithful servants, who, though they "professed", thought their works (as inconsistent as they are) were what saved them. Compare with:

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Matthew 7:21-23)

Note those who profess that they "know him" -- it doesn't matter. What is critical is if "he knows them". These he NEVER knew, not USED TO KNOW, but NEVER KNEW. They never really believed him, trusted in the gospel.

What is the "will of the Father"? Jesus explains:

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. (John 6:38-40)

It's not just Jesus by way of John who makes this point. Even Paul echoes this:

4 Who (God) will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. (1 Timothy 2:4-6)

This is the father's will (what he desires) -- that all come to the knowledge of the truth. That truth is the gospel -- that there is one savior who is the mediator between God and men, who gave himself a ransom for all. This is not universalism, but only to those who believe the gospel, who have ceased from their labors and entered into his rest, not those who claim to have done (inconsistently) many wonderful works. God knows the truth.

1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. (Hebrews 4:1ff)

We enter into his rest by NOT trusting in our OWN works, but but trusting in HIS finished work, and his alone.

64 posted on 06/10/2017 7:38:43 AM PDT by nonsporting
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