[Fedora]

Notice that in the quote from St. Louis de Montford you cited, he specifically says it is her "prayers and requests" that are powerful--something we see an example of in John 2.

Being full of grace does not mean free from sin. On the contrary, if there is no sin in someone's life, there is no grace God can show them.

Even those who have not sinned personally need grace to overcome the curse on Eve's descendants--as Paul says in Romans 5:14, "death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command". All believers receive grace, but all are not "blessed among women"--Elizabeth is drawing a contrast between all other women and Mary here. The Ephesians passage is using a verbal form of the word (ἐχαρίτωσεν); the form in Luke is a gerund being used as a title of address (κεχαριτωμένη). Luke's form is similar to the verb tense of Ephesians in that it refers to a completed action, though, which highlights the significance of the angel's statement: Mary is already full of grace even though Jesus has not been born and atoned for sins yet, in contrast to every other believer who will not receive grace until after the Crucifixion.

I'm about to turn in, so will reply to any follow-up another time. Thank you for your comments.

[ealgeone]

What would be said of the Roman Centurion who asked Jesus to heal his slave?

10Now when Jesus heard this, He marveled and said to those who were following, “Truly I say to you, I have not found such great faith with anyone in Israel. Matt 8:10 NASB

The Centurion's faith is greater than anyone else's in Israel. You know who that includes? Yet we don't see Catholics worshipping or praying to the Centurion.

[Elsie]

Notice that in the quote from St. Louis de Montford you cited, he specifically says it is her "prayers and requests" that are powerful--something we see an example of in John 2.

HMMMmmm...

What is it that we SEE here??

John 2  Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

 

1 And the third day, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee: and the mother of Jesus was there.
2 And Jesus also was invited, and his disciples, to the marriage.
3 And the wine failing, the mother of Jesus saith to him: They have no wine.
4 And Jesus saith to her: Woman, what is that to me and to thee? my hour is not yet come.
5 His mother saith to the waiters: Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye.
6 Now there were set there six waterpots of stone, according to the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three measures apiece.
7 Jesus saith to them: Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
8 And Jesus saith to them: Draw out now, and carry to the chief steward of the feast. And they carried it.
9 And when the chief steward had tasted the water made wine, and knew not whence it was, but the waiters knew who had drawn the water; the chief steward calleth the bridegroom,
10 And saith to him: Every man at first setteth forth good wine, and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse. But thou hast kept the good wine until now.
11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee; and manifested his glory, and his disciples believed in him.
 

"prayers and requests"???

Not in evidence; again.

[Elsie]

However; the phrease the mother of Jesus is found twice.

No Mother of GOD in evidence.

[CommerceComet]

Mary is already full of grace even though Jesus has not been born and atoned for sins yet, in contrast to every other believer who will not receive grace until after the Crucifixion.

So did Jesus forget this when he said that John the Baptist was the greatest born of women (Matthew 11:11)?