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To: Elsie
Go find me an offical Catholic document that teaches the worship of Mary.

AS soon as YOU produce one where ROME tells it's members NOT to 'worship' her!

Paragraph 6. Mary - Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church: "The Church rightly honors "the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of 'Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs. . . . This very special devotion . . . differs essentially from the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration."516" (Footnote Citing Lumen Gentium n. 66)

FAITHFUL HAVE FILIAL DEVOTION TO MARY, Pope John Paul II:

"When the faithful call upon Mary as "Mother of God" and contemplate in her the highest dignity conferred upon a creature, they are still not offering her a veneration equal to that of the divine Persons. There is an infinite distance between Marian veneration and worship of the Trinity and the Incarnate Word.

As a consequence, although the Christian community addresses the Blessed Virgin in language that sometimes recalls the terms used in the worship of God, it has a completely different meaning and value. Thus the love of the faithful for Mary differs from what they owe God: while the Lord must be loved above everything with all one's heart, with all one's soul and with all one's mind (cf. Mt 22:37), the sentiment joining Christians to the Blessed Virgin suggests, at a spiritual level, the affection of children for their mother."

There's two for you--you got an extra one as a bonus, since you gave me 13 posts to answer. Per your previous post to stick to one subject and per my employer, I'll stop there.

313 posted on 05/01/2017 10:35:49 AM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora; Elsie
"When the faithful call upon Mary as "Mother of God" and contemplate in her the highest dignity conferred upon a creature, they are still not offering her a veneration equal to that of the divine Persons. There is an infinite distance between Marian veneration and worship of the Trinity and the Incarnate Word.

Show me the infinite distance between Marian veneration and worship of the Trinity, btwn kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them, and ascribing glory and titles and attributes to such which are never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers individually addressed to them?

If this is invisible then how is a Cath to know when he/she has crossed that fine line between hyper "veneration" and worship? Don't you think there is a reason why the Holy Spirit never comes close to ascribing the supererogatory adulation and multiple ascriptions to any created being such as Catholic bestow upon Mary, thinking of her far, far above which is written? Egregious extrapolation at best..

Which includes, as,

an almost almighty demigoddess to whom "Jesus owes His Precious Blood" to,

whose [Mary] merits we are saved by,

who "had to suffer, as He did, all the consequences of sin,"

and was bodily assumed into Heaven, which is a fact (unsubstantiated in Scripture or even early Tradition) because the Roman church says it is, and "was elevated to a certain affinity with the Heavenly Father,"

and whose power now "is all but unlimited,"

for indeed she "seems to have the same power as God,"

"surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven,"

so that "the Holy Spirit acts only by the Most Blessed Virgin, his Spouse."

and that “sometimes salvation is quicker if we remember Mary's name then if we invoked the name of the Lord Jesus,"

for indeed saints have "but one advocate," and that is Mary, who "alone art truly loving and solicitous for our salvation,"

Moreover, "there is no grace which Mary cannot dispose of as her own, which is not given to her for this purpose,"

and who has "authority over the angels and the blessed in heaven,"

including "assigning to saints the thrones made vacant by the apostate angels,"

whom the good angels "unceasingly call out to," greeting her "countless times each day with 'Hail, Mary,' while prostrating themselves before her, begging her as a favour to honour them with one of her requests,"

and who (obviously) cannot "be honored to excess,"

and who is (obviously) the glory of Catholic people, whose "honor and dignity surpass the whole of creation." Sources and more.

And in the the Catholic quest to almost deify Mary, it is taught by Catholics*,


320 posted on 05/01/2017 12:05:53 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: Fedora
There is an infinite distance between Marian veneration and worship of the Trinity and the Incarnate Word.

How does one measure the INFINITE?

How do YOU explain the posted quotes from highly placed Catholics that claim SALVATION is in the hands of MARY?

How can you possibly expect for a PROT to believe what ROME 'officially' says and what it's members 'un'-officially DO?

371 posted on 05/01/2017 9:06:11 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Fedora; Elsie
"When the faithful call upon Mary as "Mother of God" and contemplate in her the highest dignity conferred upon a creature, they are still not offering her a veneration equal to that of the divine Persons. There is an infinite distance between Marian veneration and worship of the Trinity and the Incarnate Word.

No there isn't.

Mary is treated the same by Catholics and considered actually MORE sympathetic towards people than God/Jesus is.

Catholics pray to both Mary and God.

Catholics bow before images of both Mary and God.

Catholics capitalize the names of both Mary and God, something that is supposed to be reserved for Deity only.

Catholics claims that Mary was without sin, as was Jesus.

Catholics teach that Mary answers prayer as God does.

Catholics consecrate themselves to Mary, something I don't see encouraged or mentioned concerning Jesus.

381 posted on 05/01/2017 11:58:06 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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