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To: Fantasywriter

Thanks. I certainly appreciate your post and I’m a Catholic.

So it’s fair to say the oldest this fragment could be is A.D. 550?


27 posted on 04/29/2017 11:28:04 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven

You’re welcome, and your courtesy is profoundly appreciated. May God richly bless you.

The sources I read didn’t get that specific. The researcher who discovered the papyrus estimated it originated in the “third, fourth or fifth century.” Some experts agreed with him, while some argued for the earlier date.


29 posted on 04/29/2017 11:34:35 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: FourtySeven; Fantasywriter

Catalogue listing at http://www.trismegistos.org/magic/detail.php?tm=64320 for "Manchester, John Rylands Library Gr. 470" (which is our baby-- the initial subject matter of this thread) puts range of dates as AD 450 - 799

There appears to be only one [primary] researcher who asserts yet earlier dating, doing so on rather dubious grounds, for that individual apparently thought he saw;

The preceding [above] truncated & adjusted quote I'd copied from http://pyat.org/2015/01/09/dating-the-sub-tuum-praesidium-is-marian-veneration-apostolic/.

If the polemical note inherent within the opening sentence of that link be set somewhat aside, further down (and where I had lifted the quote) there is copy of what is alleged to be commentary of;

If papyrus 470 truly be from mid-third century, as Mr. Lobel was apparently persuaded be in realm of possibility, it's doubtful, barring something more in full explicitly asserting certainty rather than possibility, that the earliest proposed date (AD 250) be among Mr. Lobel's contemplated/accepted latest possible date?

281 posted on 05/01/2017 3:25:24 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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