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A Non-Catholic German Warns Against Protestantization of Catholicism
1P5 ^ | April 19, 2017 | Maike Hickson

Posted on 04/19/2017 4:31:51 PM PDT by NYer

In the wake of a recent critical overview of the four years of Pope Francis’ papacy as presented by the German Catholic journalist Matthias Matussek, another German journalist (who is not a Catholic) has now raised his voice of resistance with respect to Pope Francis. We speak here about Jan Fleischhauer, who is an editor of the influential secular weekly magazine Der Spiegel, and who, in 2009, wrote a book about his change of conviction away from a leftist to a more conservative viewpoint.

On 17 April, Fleischhauer published a column in Der Spiegel which is entitled “Self-Secularization: The Sponti-Pope [i.e., the spontaneous Leftie Pope](“Selbstsäkularisierung: Der Sponti-Papst”). With its subtitle, the author already indicates what he criticizes the current pontiff for:

Among Church critics, Pope Francis is much appreciated due to his pandering to the zeitgeist. Unfortunately, he thereby repeats the mistakes which the evangelical church has already committed.

Fleischhauer himself knows what he is speaking of here, because he himself was for many years a member of the Evangelical Church in Germany – mainly for political reasons. However, he later left the Protestant church and now describes himself only as a conservative. But he now also shows some admiration for the unmodernized Catholic Church when he writes:

The only Church which one can take seriously is the Catholic Church. I know that this sentence is for many readers an imposition, and I am also sorry that, of all years, I have to write this sentence in the Luther Year [of 2017].

Especially because he has seen some of the gravely defective adaptations of the Protestant church to the zeitgeist of his time, Fleischhauer now regrets that Pope Francis is now leading the Catholic Church into a similar ethos and direction. First, he describes his own admiration for the Catholic Church when he says that

Everything that critics bemoan about the Catholic Church – the Marian devotion, the cult of the Saints, the priesthood, the liturgy – is what, in my eyes, speaks for Catholicism. In addition, of course, to the length of time: an institution which is 2,000 years old has to be taken more seriously than one, let’s say, that is only 500 years old. Whoever was there first as Church, clearly has, when one deals with the last questions, the first position. Everything that [innovatively] comes later is, up to a certain point, heresy.

When speaking about his own final leaving of the Evangelical Church in Germany – at the moment of his own analogous change of political views – Fleischhauer explains just how weak the spiritual roots of Protestantism actually are:

Since the spiritual roots of Protestantism are thin, there is little that holds one back if one changes one’s worldview. A church in which not even the very existence of Heaven and Hell is binding becomes – for everyone who could only be kept in [the church] with the help of faith – a lost cause.

It is here that Fleischhauer sees that Pope Francis is now committing a comparably grave mistake:

If I am not mistaken, then, the Catholic Church is right now repeating the mistake of the Protestants. At its peak stands a man who shows a strange disdain for everything gradually grown and rootedly traditional and who enjoys surprising the Church people with thrown-down follies and jokes.

The German journalist then makes the explicit reference to Matthias Matussek’s own recent “fulminating text” and says that the Catholic Matussek “understands much about the importance of Dogma as a dam against the relativizations of the zeitgeist.” Fleischhauer places Matussek next to the German author Martin Mosebach, “another great Catholic reactionary.”

It seems that Fleischhauer understands more about what has happened to the Catholic Church since the Second Vatican Council than many Catholics of today, as he attempts to explain:

One could, if one wishes, see in [Pope] Francis the perfecter of a development which started with the Second Vatican Council. The first blow was taken against the liturgy between 1962 and 1965 – not accidentally a decade in which everywhere in the world the iconoclasts leaped greatly forward.

Here we Catholics are being rightly instructed by a German journalist as to how the Catholic Church removed “important elements of the centuries-old rite” because “she wanted to adapt to the zeitgeist”: “Priests no longer stood before the altar, but behind it, like behind a moderator’s table of the “Tagesthemen” [a German TV news show].” He also mentions here the thorough removal of the Latin language and the dubious permission of Communion in the hand. Piercingly, Fleischhauer adds:

Where they also took it especially seriously with the change of times, the clergymen themselves dragged the altars into the fields and chopped the Saints’ statues into pieces. For those without faith, these things might appear to be minor things, but, of course, it is not. Whoever has once assisted at a Mass in the old Tridentine Rite knows what the Church has lost when she succumbed to the 68-rush [cultural revolution of the 1960s].

Fleischhauer makes a prediction for the future of the Catholic Church, namely: if she follows the road the Protestants have taken, she will lose Church members and, consequently, will then consider adapting even more so to the zeitgeist in order to be purportedly more attractive. In the end, says the German journalist, the Catholic Church will have the same dilemma as the Protestants: “If the Church dissolves that which differentiates her from those other secular offers professing to give life a meaning – why then is the church still needed?” It is in this context that Fleischhauer sees the growth of Islam in the world which seems to move into the vacuum and to “fulfill spiritual needs better than the Christian competitor.”

This article written by Jan Fleischhauer is an uplifting as well as sobering event. It shows to us how elements of truth will always find their way into the minds of honest people. We have seemingly come to a point where modern man is becoming tired of the pervasive relativism – and its accompanying ideologies – for, they do not correspond to reality. Man has a thirst for the true, the trustworthy binding, and the beautiful. The modern world has mostly produced ugliness, loneliness and a lack of love.

Is it not time for all of us – inside and outside the Catholic Church – to make an effort to free ourselves cooperatively, to come out from under the “rubble” and thereby to find the way back to the deeper sources of trust and joy which can only be found in and through Jesus Christ Our Savior – and in His Sacramental Church?



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To: BlueDragon
Oh toughen up!

If I spent as much time on defending my honor (which is almost non-existant) as these Catholic rabble-rousers and named callers WISH; then I'd not have much time left over to post my most luscious barbs; sauteed in oil and marinated in an ambrosia of fine theological spices.

121 posted on 04/20/2017 5:31:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
It was a dark and stormy night...
122 posted on 04/20/2017 5:33:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
When Catholics go fishing and their reel becomes almost hopelessly tangled; I guess they pray to the...

I guess I was somewhat of a naive Catholic. Even as a Catholic, I never heard all these terms for Mary, but then again, I was more interested in playing hockey, hence the Our Lady of Victory. I didn't know there was a Lady of the Reels. 😀 Thanks for telling me that. It's about time I got a clue anyway. 😆

123 posted on 04/20/2017 5:51:32 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is history)
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To: Elsie

Hmmmm. Too much presumin going on out der.


124 posted on 04/20/2017 5:58:17 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is history)
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To: Elsie
sauteed in oil

Here we go with that oil thing again. Is this the same oil that heretics got corrected by? You know, the oil that is, shall we say, a wee bit above room temperature? 🔥😱

125 posted on 04/20/2017 6:21:24 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is history)
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To: Elsie

I guess that knocks out the EO and other non-Roman rites, eh?


126 posted on 04/20/2017 7:01:17 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide; Mark17
You make no sense. You hope I make it through judgement day, yet you declare you are already saved, as if your judgement has already happened.

Sure it makes sense because he believes Jesus.

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

Our salvation is a done deal when we have been born again/born from above. Sealed in heaven by the deposit of the Holy Spirit in our lives, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it.

IOW, until we die and enter heaven.

Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

Colossians 1:13-14 He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

And here Peter himself is being presumptuous.

1 Peter 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Taking God at His word is called *faith* and it pleases God when we display it.

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

And then some people have the nerve to call what God calls faith *presumption*. they will never please God if thinking that believing Him is presumptuous.

127 posted on 04/20/2017 7:15:48 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom; BlueDragon; Elsie; boatbums; aMorePerfectUnion
And then some people have the nerve to call what God calls faith *presumption*. they will never please God if thinking that believing Him is presumptuous.

Yes, and that "believing" God, is faith, to the saving of the soul, not some mere mental acknowledgement of the truth. So, if "believing" God, to the saving of the soul, and taking Him at his word, is presumption, then sign me up for a triple dose of that. I'll be more than happy to commit that "sin" 50 times a day. 😀 At least I know I can avoid 🔥

128 posted on 04/20/2017 7:50:07 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is history)
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To: ebb tide
First you have to have the Son. And anyone who rejects the Son’s Church rejects Him.

What a joke!

By entrusting yourself to the Son of God, the Holy Spirit baptizes you into the Church, the Bride of Christ, and seals you until that day.

The rest you promote is just man-made doctrines, not found in Scripture. They lead to hell.

129 posted on 04/20/2017 8:09:34 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Mark17
So, if "believing" God, to the saving of the soul, and taking Him at his word, is presumption, then sign me up for a triple dose of that. I'll be more than happy to commit that "sin" 50 times a day. 😀 At least I know I can avoid 🔥

The great news is that it is necessary to put your belief in Christ once for salvation - and the result, eternal life, starting that very moment.

"Thanks be to God for His Indescribable Gift!!"

130 posted on 04/20/2017 8:19:34 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Elsie

I’m guessing that probably everyone had cousins with those names so using those names to mean cousins would be about useless to specifically identify anyone person.


131 posted on 04/20/2017 12:54:34 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide

**Presumption is a sin.**

But not the presumption of the assumption of Mary?


132 posted on 04/20/2017 2:15:55 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Zuriel
**Presumption is a sin.**

But not the presumption of the assumption of Mary?

I can see where presumptions and assumptions could get someone into a bit of a pickle. 😀

133 posted on 04/20/2017 4:15:58 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is history)
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To: metmom
I guess that knocks out the EO and other non-Roman rites, eh?

I don't lay the eggs; I just color them.

134 posted on 04/20/2017 6:05:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mark17

Can I be safe in assumin’ that presumin’ is bad or not?!


135 posted on 04/20/2017 6:07:31 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; metmom; boatbums; Zuriel
Can I be safe in assumin’ that presumin’ is bad or not?!

It depends on your plan of salvation. I assume that you presume that we are saved by grace through faith. Eph 2:8-9. In this case, your presumin would be ok. If others, from another religion, that will remain unnamed, think we are saved by baptism, works, and church membership, mixed with a SMALL amount of grace, they assume your presumin would not be ok.
I don't like to assume things, because you know what that does. Since I presume we can trust God, to keep His word, then I assume (even though I don't like to assume anything) that you can presume the same thing. So, though some others, of a different religious persuasion, may think your prusumin is sin, I assume it is ok. I signed up for another tour of duty, assumin and presumin up a storm. Would I be correct in assumin that you understand this perfectly? 😀

136 posted on 04/20/2017 7:50:24 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is history)
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To: metmom
First you have to have the Son. And anyone who rejects the Son’s Church rejects Him. Complete and unadulterated nonsense. Show us in Scripture where God tells us that. And then prove from Scripture that Catholicism is the OTC.

Seeing that born again believers in Jesus Christ ARE His church, wouldn't Catholics who reject believers actually be the ones who are rejecting Christ???

137 posted on 04/20/2017 8:14:43 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Elsie; metmom
In many ways I do love to presume
Though it fills some others with gloom
I always will say
That I know the way
God causes our eternal life to bloom
138 posted on 04/20/2017 8:26:08 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is history)
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To: Elsie
Nobody needs a SAVIOR if they have never sinned. Saved from WHAT???

They say she was saved from ever BEING a sinner, not as in how the rest of us are saved from the penalty of our sin that we do commit. It gets a little squiggly when they have to then explain how Mary had "free will" to choose to bear the Savior but not when it came to being born without sin and remaining so. Had she denied the conception of the Lord, would she retroactively be made a sinner? I've yet to hear anyone address that conundrum.

139 posted on 04/20/2017 8:32:41 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: redgolum

Isn’t it better to hash it out online instead of on a battlefield??? ;o)


140 posted on 04/20/2017 8:33:53 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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