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To: BlueDragon
You wrote that tortured process all out, for anyone to see.

Not everyone; for my tender sensibilities were protected by a Mod of some type.

360 posted on 04/16/2017 2:20:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; vladimir998; Religion Moderator
His tortured explanation is still on this thread.

In his rush to support the idea there is a corporeal (even carnal) bodily element of the Lord intrinsic to RC Eucharist, he missed taking note of, and understanding the qualifiers I had included in a comment I had made, which he then twisted within his own mind into claim I was denying the Resurrection of Christ from the grave. I cannot but assume he made those mistakes quite deliberately, intentionally deceitfully, and was taking pains to cover his tracks in order to conceal the crime as much as possible.

I most certainly had not denied Jesus had a physical body, and that He was resurrected from the grave, and later ascended "up into the heavens", although he kept repeating that I had denied the "Incarnation" and "Resurrection" several times over. Each repetition of the accusation was dependent upon a process of his own "if this--then that" illogical process.

The causal viewer would likely not catch on to just how vladi twists peoples words into making it appear they said things they had not, not unless they themselves had been subjected to the same poisonous treatments.

You've seen it before Elsie, so I would imagine you can grasp what I'm talking about here. It is beyond exasperating, but does show us how the foul spirit of the Inquisition functioned. It's from hell itself. It is demonically inspired and led.

Here is what I had said;

followed by that portion in parentheses intended towards where precisely Christ was prior to earthly incarnation. He had no "body" then, we should be able to safely enough assume?

If we don't assume that, where might that take us? Towards Joseph Smith, Mormon-like contemplation that God the Father has a physical body and sires offspring in heaven who then are sent to earth to be born into earthly "flesh and blood"?

The remainder of what I had said (that vladi twisted up, then tried to cram back into my mouth as if I had said yet other things, things for which otherwise in my comments I had established to the contrary);

The crucial operative phrase, and intended meaning there being just as it was when He did become born into form of a man.

At time of resurrection, was Christ's own body not glorified, as the Scriptures tell us? Was He not transformed, even in His fleshly existence? He was, and then at Ascension, could He have not been Glorified yet further, far beyond our fleshly understandings, when returning back to where He was before? (John 6:62-63)

What sort of "body" would be there in heaven now? One that needs to breath oxygen, needs to drink liquid water, a body which requires food just as we know of "food"?

It would be insensible to suggest such things, but if vladi's own contentions were to be subjected to his own style of "vladi treatment" of other's words, and forced to undergo arbitrary "if this-then that" process of deduction (deliberately aimed at seeking and FINDING grounds for charges of "heresy" be leveled) then we could deduce that valdimir886 says things that support central and crucial elements of Mormon theology, thus be heterodox and "heretical".

God is a Spirit, as it is written. Christ was "there" existing with (within) the Creator from the beginning, before there was made anything that was made ---I assume. Jesus himself is attributed to having said of himself; before Abraham, I was. So He existed at least that far back, as calculated from mankind's own perspective of linear reckoning of time.

That He was, and that He did eventually be born into earthly existence in form of actual & genuine flesh and blood human being, still in no wise equates that we should need to, or even should include in our understandings that there be a corporeal presence of Christ included as being the bread of the Passover, that bread of communion & thanksgiving which Christians call the Eucharist, and the Lord's Supper ---which comes from where? Which comes from heaven, where Christ existed prior to having taken on earthly carnal flesh, and to where He has now returned.

You said also;

I've cast demons out of people before.

In one instance that stands out in memory, the Lord led me to be able to say things in ways the subject (a man) would understand, and be able to accept. Whatever evil spirit was there, was not in total control of the man, so I was able to speak to him, rather than wrestle with the demon. I was was able to coax things along with a few questions which led to the non-earth shattering finale

-- which, when the man accepted that within himself, drove the evil spirit which had been vexing him to suddenly depart from him. He testified to me that he felt it leave out of the top of his body. At that moment\, his eyes widened, his face showing sudden realization, and not just a little surprise. He thanked me profusely, and remembered that too, each time he saw me afterwards.
364 posted on 04/16/2017 4:27:55 AM PDT by BlueDragon (snail racing has it's difficulties. they won't stay in their lane, for one thing...)
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