Francis urges priests to ‘welcome’ cohabitating couples in the ‘style of the Gospel’ [Cath Cauc]

LifeSite News ^ | February 27, 2017 | Jan Bentz

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Didn’t GWB have an illegal nanny? And Barky had a tranny nanny.

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Is this fake news ?

No. Unfortunately, it is not fake.

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“It’s a superstition, because marriage frightens the husband. It’s a superstition we have to overcome” the Pope said. “I’ve seen a lot of fidelity in these cohabitations, and I am sure that this is a real marriage, they have the grace of a real marriage because of their fidelity, but there are local superstitions, etc.”1

http://www.cfnews.org/page88/files/f963af1da96bb10babd7946a5cfcc3ad-599.html

[af_vet_1981]

No. Unfortunately, it is not fake.

As presented by Lifesite, .

For example, the story you linked in this thread has this out of context:
Last year Francis said that cohabitating couples are in a “real marriage” and receive the grace of the Sacrament. “I’ve seen a lot of fidelity in these cohabitations, and I am sure that this is a real marriage, they have the grace of a real marriage because of their fidelity,” he said at that time.

Another site, reports the quotes in a much broader context that makes lifesite look like fake news propaganda.

The initial comments had come as the Pope was addressing the Diocese of Rome’s pastoral congress. After his initial scripted remarks, he held a question-and-answer session.

A layman asked about the “crisis of marriage” and how Catholics can help educate youth in love, help them learn about sacramental marriage, and help them overcome “their resistance, delusions and fears.”

The Pope answered from his own experience.

“I heard a bishop say some months ago that he met a boy that had finished his university studies, and said ‘I want to become a priest, but only for 10 years.’ It’s the culture of the provisional. And this happens everywhere, also in priestly life, in religious life,” he said.

“It’s provisional, and because of this the great majority of our sacramental marriages are null. Because they say ‘yes, for the rest of my life!’ but they don’t know what they are saying. Because they have a different culture. They say it, they have good will, but they don’t know.”

He spoke of his encounter with a woman in Buenos Aires who “reproached” him. She said that priests study for the priesthood for years and can get permission to leave the priesthood to marry and have a family. For the laity, this woman said, “we have to do the sacrament for our entire lives, and indissolubly, to us laity they give four (marriage preparation) conferences, and this is for our entire life.”

Pope Francis said that marriage preparation is a problem, and that marital problems are also linked to social situations surrounding weddings.

He recounted his encounter with a man engaged to be married who was looking for a church that would complement his fiancée’s dress and would not be far from a restaurant.

“It’s social issue, and how do we change this? I don’t know,” the Pope said.

He noted that as Archbishop of Buenos Aires he had prohibited marriages in the case of “shotgun weddings” where the prospective bride was pregnant. He did this on the grounds there was a question of the spouses’ free consent to marry.

“Maybe they love each other, and I’ve seen there are beautiful cases where, after two or three years they got married,” he said. “And I saw them entering the church, father, mother and child in hand. But they knew well (what) they did.”

Pope Francis attributed the marriage crisis to people who “don’t know what the sacrament is” and don’t know “the beauty of the sacrament.”

“They don’t know that it’s indissoluble, they don’t know that it’s for your entire life. It’s hard,” the Pope said.

He added that a majority of couples attending marriage prep courses in Argentina typically cohabitated.

“They prefer to cohabitate, and this is a challenge, a task. Not to ask ‘why don’t you marry?’ No, to accompany, to wait, and to help them to mature, help fidelity to mature.”

He said that in Argentina’s northeast countryside, couples have a child and live together. They have a civil wedding when the child goes to school, and when they become grandparents they “get married religiously.”

“It’s a superstition, because marriage frightens the husband. It’s a superstition we have to overcome,” the Pope said. “I’ve seen a lot of fidelity in these cohabitations, and I am sure that this is a real marriage, they have the grace of a real marriage because of their fidelity, but there are local superstitions, etc.”

“Marriage is the most difficult area of pastoral work,” he said.

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Why did you leave this part out of the article you quoted:

“While he initially said in unscripted comments that “the great majority of our sacramental marriages are null,” he later approved a revision of these remarks.”

“When the Vatican released its official transcript of the encounter the following day, they had changed the comment to say that “a portion of our sacramental marriages are null.”

Did you get that? The Vatican edits Bergolio’s comments to make him look less heretical. It’s a yeoman’s job.

[af_vet_1981]

What is the superstition ? It must be read in the full context of his interview to glean that. The superstition is that so many couples fear and avoid religious marriage. The problem is twofold: the rampant cohabitation in lieu of religious marriage, and the unacceptably high number of religious marriages that end in divorce.

Do you intend to make divorce illegal in every country ?

[af_vet_1981]

Why did you leave this part out of the article you quoted:

Side issue, but relevant in that I was trying to correct the original poster as well.

I posted considerably more of the context in what he said than the original poster ...

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What part of this do you not understand:

“I’ve seen a lot of fidelity in these cohabitations, and I am sure that this is a real marriage, they have the grace of a real marriage because of their fidelity, but there are local superstitions, etc.”

It is included in the excerpt you quoted from the CNA article? Did you not read it before you posted it?

[jim35]

If this is TRUE, the Pope is a HERETIC!!!

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Well, he sure wouldn’t be the first Pope to be one. Lots of bad Popes, from what I’ve heard. Folks just got spoiled after the great Polish Pope...now a saint, I think. Was that John Paul II?

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You have corrected no one. You refuse to accept the facts.

[af_vet_1981]

It is included in the excerpt you quoted from the CNA article? Did you not read it before you posted it?

Yes, of course I read it; I read it in context and saw how absurd the lifesite news propaganda hit piece was. So, even though I would agree with the position, hit piece propaganda really turns me off.

Am I against adultery ? Yes
Was the woman taken in the very act of adultery ? Yes
Am I going to back the religious men with stones ? Not a chance

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You’re dodging now.

The whole article is about cohabitation and it, and other sources both you and I have sourced, correctly quoted Francis as stating:

“I’ve seen a lot of fidelity in these cohabitations, and I am sure that this is a real marriage, they have the grace of a real marriage because of their fidelity, but there are local superstitions, etc.”

I’m sorry you continue to ignore that.

[af_vet_1981]

You have corrected no one. You refuse to accept the facts.

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Am I against adultery ? Yes

Are you against sexually active cohabitation? Yes or No.

Do you think a "lot of" cohabititating couples have "real marriage(s), they have the grace of a real marriage because of their fidelity" as Bergoglio thinks? Yes or No?

[af_vet_1981]

You’re dodging now. The whole article is about cohabitation and it, and other sources both you and I have sourced, correctly quoted Francis as stating: “I’ve seen a lot of fidelity in these cohabitations, and I am sure that this is a real marriage, they have the grace of a real marriage because of their fidelity, but there are local superstitions, etc.” I’m sorry you continue to ignore that.

Ok, you be sorry;
The whole article is entitled "Updated: Most marriages today are invalid, Pope Francis suggests." I actually posted much more of it than the original poster, precisely to point out the fake propaganda aspect of the original post. So when I read "Pope Francis said Thursday that many sacramental marriages today are not valid, because couples do not enter into them with a proper understanding of permanence and commitment." that does not tend to support your assertion that the whole article is about cohabitation ...

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Childish. You won’t accept facts.

Your loss, not mine.

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No the whole article is titled “Francis urges priests to ‘welcome’ cohabitating couples in the ‘style of the Gospel”.

Yet, you proceeded to make a fool of yourself. Please continue. You’re very amusing.

[af_vet_1981]

Am I against adultery ? Yes

Are you against sexually active cohabitation? Yes or No.
Yes

Do you think a "lot of" cohabititating couples have "real marriage(s), they have the grace of a real marriage because of their fidelity" as Bergoglio thinks? Yes or No?
No, I've never been to rural Northern Argentina.

Can you post a more contextually complete quote rather than making up a straw man ?

He said that in Argentina’s northeast countryside, couples have a child and live together. They have a civil wedding when the child goes to school, and when they become grandparents they “get married religiously.” “It’s a superstition, because marriage frightens the husband. It’s a superstition we have to overcome,” the Pope said. “I’ve seen a lot of fidelity in these cohabitations, and I am sure that this is a real marriage, they have the grace of a real marriage because of their fidelity, but there are local superstitions, etc.” “Marriage is the most difficult area of pastoral work,” he said.

What is distinguished by strict observance of the traditional and written law, and commonly held to have pretensions to superior sanctity ?

[af_vet_1981]

Yet, you proceeded to make a fool of yourself. Please continue. You’re very amusing.

Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Matthew, Catholic chapter five, Protestant verses twenty one to twenty two,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

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Bergoglio made that statement as Pope. He wasn’t in Argentina. But it seems like you think he’s right.