Posted on 01/07/2017 12:39:32 PM PST by BlessedBeGod
Start with Original Sin and then move to Vatican II ;)
When our minister was out sick one Sunday the senior Elder led the service. His sermon (homily) was on the spiritual care and feeding of the congregation. One of his statements was regarding music and that different folks in the congregation got “fed” by different types of hymns, some the old standards, other by the new one and folks by that in between.
He led this with the comment to look at a pasture of sheep, cattle, or horses, they don’t all eat from the same area, they graze all over the place, finding the food they like in different areas, thus it is with music in church.
Unsaid was what I took as the lesson: “be gracious and listen/sing the hymns you don’t get ‘fed by’ because others may not get ‘fed’ by the ones that feed you.”
Many years ago someone - I forget who - posted about taking his elderly deaf father to a church service. It was one of those churches that wanted to be ‘with it’ and there was lots of key of C guitar music and folk hymns.
Then a young woman came down the aisle and began to perform a sacred dance. At the end of the dance, everything was quiet in the church, and the elderly man said in a loud voice, “What the hell was that?”
I have been a member for 12 years, of a Christian men’s choir, with over 50 members from 30+ churches in the Calgary area and representing 11 denominations, both Protestant and Catholic. We sing mostly old hymns and gospel pieces. As I grew up in a ‘fire and brimstone’, old Methodist style, United Church, I enjoyed many of the old standards.
My choir director used to refer to modern ‘praise songs’ as ‘7-11 songs’, seven lines repeated eleven times. More recently, we have begun singing certain ‘praise songs’ adapted for choirs such as ‘Who Can Satisfy?’ and ‘Still’. As I attend a large Evangelical church with four weekend services and different music styles at the evening versus Sunday morning services, I hear a mix of old and new music and have learned to enjoy many types of music including many of the ‘Hillsong’ type praise songs.
Holy Spirit did not cease speaking to Christian composers in the 19th century! He STILL speaks to ALL people who will listen, including composers. True, there are some ‘praise songs’ which are not inspired, but there are others that are! What comes to mind off the top of my head, are Darlene Zschech’s ‘Victor’s Crown’ and ‘In Jesus’ Name’. Though not written with a specific Bible verse in mind, I find Holy Spirit moving in these songs. (The above noted choir that I am a member of, do not sing these, as we are accompanied by piano only, and that ‘Hillsong style’ of music is foreign to many churches. Non-Pentecostal churches often find such music to be a little too ‘different’ for their tastes.)
Praising the Lord drives satan and his minions away. They cannot influence a person who is heartily praising the Lord. If ‘modern’ praise music reaches those who would otherwise avoid entering a church like the plague, that is good, assuming it is a Bible-believing church.
Once each month (tomorrow evening, actually), my church has something called NOW! (Night of Worship!), which to me is basically a Christian rock concert and a sermon, different from the other weekend sermon. I’ve gone a few times and sensed Holy Spirit moving in that place, but I find the music to be far too loud. There are, however, more people attending, mostly young people, than a regular Sunday evening service, almost filling the 2,400 seat worship centre. Often, there are 10-20 baptisms at these services.
If something like this gets young people into the church who might otherwise avoid a church, that is good news. Hopefully, a seed is planted through the music, or the message, or the interaction with young Christians. In a city that is so rich, yet now suffering a terrible economy, it is a blessing that Holy Spirit moves in this place.
Hymns do not belong in the Mass at all.
The only LITURGICAL music is chant.
OK, that’s funny right there!
Get the choir back and train them to sing well and:
Get people who want to lead worship. Repeat, lead worship not just sing. Our choir director made it clear to us that we are worship leaders and the choir went into overdrive shortly thereafter.
There are still churches which discourage overt enthusiasm in their choir. Bad mistake for the celebration of our Lord and Savior. Celebrate.
If you can move the choir onto the steps directly in front of congregation it will have a huge impact.
Some people who will never sing well are terrific leaders of worship. Put them in the choir. If you get rid of the tryouts you will probably end up with a choir full of leaders.
Our choir does not wear robes. It restricts your ability to move as well baking you under the lights.
Bring back your choirs, they are still effective after 2,000 years.
There are so many great comments on here...so I’ll throw in my two cents worth:
I sang on a Worship Team for about 10 years. I think there are beautiful songs from every time period. Old and new can both be beautiful.
I love simple songs such as “I am the Bread of Life,” which is frequently sung in Catholic churches today.
I do think the repetition in music where it’s almost like a Hindu type chant that can bring people into some sort of trance-like state is a questionable and, as a few of my friends have mentioned, there is some pretty bad theology in much of Christian music today.
For example, when a “Christian” song is all about how much we “love you,” but the song could be sung to one’s love interest, since there’s nothing in the song to show it’s pointing to Christ, God or the Holy Spirit, yes, something is wrong with that.
Music is very personal. Just look at the play lists in a person’s iPod (or back in the day, their stack of albums). People aren’t ever going to agree on it.
As long as it’s pointing to the ONE true God or it’s something we can use to remind us of our need, our hope, our thankfulness, our sin, etc., then I think it’s okay.
What a hoot! That sounds just something my dear daddy would have done when he was alive and in his elderly years.
Very good point about content! I agree.
What a great story. Good for him. So far we haven’t had to suffer dancing. I do remember in a parish I no longer attend, I went to Saturday evening mass the Saturday before Martin Luther King, Jr. day. Bear in mind that this particular parish was as white as any I have ever been in. Father Mark had decided that it would be a good idea to bring in a black choir to “perform” at the service. I’m pretty sure that they weren’t Catholic. At some point prior to the consecration the choir got wound up and we were all supposed to stand and clap and yell praise Jesus etc. About five minutes into this I left. I now wish I had stayed to see whether the priest (who was also AA and looking a bit embarrassed) was going to let this charade continue during the most sacred parts of the Mass. This is not my culture. Monsignor Pope in his AA congregation has, I am sure, incorporated the wonderful enthusiasm of this culture into Catholic worship but it was just embarrassing at the Mass I attended.
One other story.... a different black priest at my great nephew’s Baptism. Mr. Mercat and I had our 3 year old granddaughter with us. At each point where the priest did the sign of the cross (if you’re not Catholic there are a lot) he asked the congregation to say “Alleluia” and we did, with great gusto. When it was over and we were sitting there feeling all full of the Holy Spirit our granddaughter yells out in the quiet church, “Let’s do that again!” You had to have been there to truly appreciate it.
Too much happy-clappy. Text as trite as pop love songs and almost always too friggin’ loud. I understand the challenge of a post modern kaleidoscope of styles and taste, getting people to agree on such things is a challenge for the modern church. But good grief, I seldom feel my soul being uplifted and aspiring for the unfathomable presence of God. A “joyful noise...?” More like a “clanging cymbal.”
“Most of those who cant stand the music they hear at Mass just stay away.”
I doubt it. I think anyone that gives that as a reason for not meeting their obligation to attend Mass would surely find some other reason they couldn’t if the music was to their taste. I mean come on.
FReegards
I imagine (not being in the business myself) that most "Christian" music is theologically bland by design. Consider that it is, after all, written to sell, not to instruct. Make it too specific or incisive, and it might lose a large segment of its potential market.
Pecuniam observare oportet.
Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord... Eph 5:19
Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord... Eph 5:19
Hymns are part of the Liturgy of the Hours (the Divine Office) and other services, but not the Mass.
That has not been my experience. I'm attending a Catholic funeral tomorrow and I'm betting there won't be bright colors there, either.
And the fact is, a LOT of Church musical directors play for the other team.
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