Posted on 01/04/2017 3:36:55 PM PST by BlatherNaut
“The movement to restore the traditional Mass is the work of the Holy Spirit, and is unstoppable”
Our partners at Adelante La Fe (Rorate in Spanish) today published an exclusive interview with His Excellency Bishop Athanasius Schneider. The answers he gives are very blunt and bold -- even for the great bishop. It's pretty clear even by just skimming his answers that he believes the time has come for the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX).
HEADLINES
“There are many places where priests act more like Protestant ministers than Catholic priests”
“There are families that must travel more than 100 km (60 mi) so that they can go to a dignified Mass and hear sound doctrine”
“The faithful must ask the priests for kneelers so that they can kneel”
“We have a eucharistic-heart disease, and as long as we fail to heal it, the whole body will remain ill and will not produce fruit”
“In today’s climate, it’s a true miracle that we have vocations”
“Gender ideology is a depravity, a final form of Marxism”
“If they can, parents should withdraw their children from schools where they are taught gender ideology”
“There is a mentality of radical relativism within the Church”
“We should speak up so that the Magisterium might speak clearly”
“With moral relativism, especially concerning the reception of Communion by the divorced and remarried, we want God to do our will, and not for us to do His”
“A sacramental female diaconate contradicts the nature of the Church”
“We have to love the pope supernaturally, praying for him, not practicing a form of papolatry”
SSPX – Msgr. Lefebvre
“I am convinced that in the present circumstances, Msgr. Lefebvre would accept the canonical proposal of a personal prelature without hesitation”
“Msgr. Lefebvre is a man with a deep sensus ecclesiae”
“The episcopal ordinations were done in 1988 because in good conscience he thought that he had to do it, as an extreme act, and at the same time said that this situation should not last a long time”
“If you remain canonically autonomous for too long, you run the risk of losing a characteristic of the Catholic Church, that is, to be subject to the pope”
“We cannot make our subjection to the Vicar of Christ dependent upon the person of the pope; this would not be faith. You cannot say that “I don’t believe in this pope, I don’t submit, I am going to wait until one comes along that I like.” This is not Catholic, it is not supernatural; it is human. It is a lack of supernaturality and trust in Divine Providence, that God is the one who guides the Church. This is a danger for the SSPX”
“I have asked Msgr. Fellay not to delay his acceptance any longer, and I trust in Providence, though it is not possible to have 100% certainty”
“It is my great wish that the SSPX might be recognized and established within the regular structure of the Church as soon as possible, and this will be for the benefit of all, for them and for us. Actually it will be a new force in this great battle for the purity of the Faith”
“I have told Msgr. Fellay: “Monsignor, we need your presence to join together with all of the good forces in the Church to achieve this union.”
TRADITIONAL MASS
“The movement to restore the traditional Mass is the work of the Holy Spirit, and is unstoppable”
“If the Fathers of Vatican II witnessed a Mass like the one we know today and a traditional Mass, the majority would say that the traditional Mass is what they want, and not the other”
The traditional liturgy is the liturgy of Vatican II, perhaps with small changes.
Personal prelature? Pardon my ignorance, but who’s to be the person holding the prelature, Pope Francis?
Maybe Bishop Fellay?
“Personal prelature is a canonical structure of the Roman Catholic Church which comprises a prelate, clergy and laity who undertake specific pastoral activities. The first, and thus far the only, personal prelature is Opus Dei. Personal prelatures, similar to dioceses and military ordinariates, are under the governance of the Vatican’s Congregation for Bishops. These three types of ecclesiastical structures are composed of lay people served by their own secular clergy and prelate. Unlike dioceses which cover territories, personal prelatures—like military ordinariates—take charge of persons as regards some objectives regardless of where they live...”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_prelature
I don’t trust Bergoglio.
Who’s going to stop him from replacing Bishop Fellay with the heretic, Bruno Forte, as soon as the ink is dry?
“subjection to the Vicar of Christ...”
Let’s go, SSPX. Stop being heretics. Follow Machiavelli and do the right thing.
Virtu: manliness. Fortuna: priviledges. Ordinis: law.
Follow the law of the Church and promote the Latin mass.
Do you care to explain what heresies the SSPX profess.
You’re right. Seems like a bad move.
Who's the heretic? Seems like Bergoglio's arrogant refusal to respond to the dubia wins him the heretic crown (and he turns a blind eye on pervert molesters as well).
It is a matter of discipline not doctrine.
But the longer the SSPX is isolated from the fold, the more likely they will drift into traps; like sede-vacantism, doubting the validity of Holy Orders, etc...
Has the SSPX made any comments about the recent goings-on with AL and the Dubia yet? I haven’t seen any.
Found this on another site. I believe it is a Resistance response to Bishop Schneider’s comments.
Enough said.
Sacramental validity requires form, matter and intention. It is reasonable to doubt the validity of the vast numbers of ordinations of "intrinsically disordered" homosexuals presently populating the clergy ranks who have knowingly defied Church law (and thus the mind/intention of the Church) in order to pursue their own selfish ends. By their fruits we now know them. And these are the SSPX's greatest enemies. Interesting that it is Bergoglio who is perversely claiming that the majority of marriages are invalid while championing deviants in the priesthood (pseudo-priests, if such people are in fact fraudulently ordained).
Agreed.
It is not our place to judge intention, if the matter and form were present, we should assume that the Sacrament was conferred.
Thomas Aquinas addresses this in his Summa. He is rather blunt. Paraphrasing; “He who raises an unworthy candidate to Holy Orders is guilty of mortal sin. And he who is in the state of mortal sin commits mortal sin in exercising his Order.”
But Aquinas never denies that the Order was conferred.
Understood. Persons of "intrinsically disordered" orientation, womyn priests, dogs, cats, etc. all fall into the same category -- i.e. "unworthy candidates". Observation (not judgment) can clearly reveal intent. Why is an exception made -- why ought we press the "I believe button" -- only in the case of the "intrinsically disordered"? As the "intrinsically disordered" engage in the process of homosexualizing the Church from the top down, perhaps these questions warrant deeper examination.
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