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To: right way right
If it produces rotten fruit, it is a waste. All that has happened is that I have judged you and your church in trying to defend my Lord and Savior from a perceived attack on what I and many, many others believe glorifies him and, also helps point people towards believing in Jesus Christ. Christmas.

Christmas has done EXACTLY opposite of what you claim. Beginning in the late 1800's Christmas started becoming more and more popular. It is practically at it's zenith today. And how many people has a fake, manmade holiday brought to Christ? Let's look at that fruit.

Mainstream Christian churches are polluted by sexual sin. Entire churches have not only condoned, but endorsed homosexuality. Abortion has become the law of the land. Gay marriage is the law of the land. Islam is on the rise and on the march and is more popular then ever. While in the United States people are abandoning churches in droves. The American government has turned away from God. In fact it seems the more popular Christmas grew, the more corrupt Christianity and America have become.

So don't tell me that Christmas brings people to Christ. It's the exact opposite. The ONLY thing that bring people to Christ God the father. And he doesn't do it through glitz, tinsel and false myths. He does it through his word. His scripture. His record of how he wants his creation to live and worship him.

As for myself, during Christmas, as well as other days, I will eat and drink with sinners and tell them of Christ, the lamb of God, His final sacrifice for all of time.

Christ ate with sinners. He did NOT engage in their sins with them. Christ ate with them to show them and to tell them that there is a better way to live. A way that includes God and that includes turning away from sin. All possible through the indwelling of the spirit of God. He did NOT attend PAGAN worship services, sacrifice with them and them tell them "to believe in him". To believe in him means to BELIEVE HIM. Believe him when he says "The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts."

71 posted on 12/22/2016 12:53:55 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Sorry if I offended God and or you.

This is why I talked of rotting fruit.

This scripture tells me how I have done so
and, is why I knew I should have just back away but, I did not.

I have a warrior streak which is why I stay off the religion threads.
Sorry.

I’m done, I have an ugly feeling about it but, you certainly know that this is a two way street.

Romans 14New King James Version (NKJV)

The Law of Liberty
14 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;[a] and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose[b] and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.[c] 11 For it is written:

“As I live, says the Lord,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”[d]
12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.

The Law of Love
14 I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 Yet if your brother is grieved because of your food, you are no longer walking in love. Do not destroy with your food the one for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let your good be spoken of as evil; 17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 For he who serves Christ in these things[e] is acceptable to God and approved by men.

19 Therefore let us pursue the things which make for peace and the things by which one may edify another. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are pure, but it is evil for the man who eats with offense. 21 It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak.[f] 22 Do you have faith?[g] Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. 23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.[h]


72 posted on 12/22/2016 1:24:06 PM PST by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our one and only true hope.)
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To: DouglasKC
Give it up DouglasKC. The world has chosen Christmas as a holy day. You must go along to get along or you will be mocked (and possibly persecuted).
Maybe God has added new holy days? Mal. 3:6,7
Besides Jesus did a lot of things NOT recorded. John 21:25 So maybe they left out the sleigh and reindeer part.
Think of the Bible as a living document (like the Constitution) that needs to be changed with the times. Deut. 4:2 and Rev. 22:18,19
Besides these people are doing it for the Lord. They think they are doing a good deed so what does it matter as long as their heart is in the right place? Matt. 7:21
74 posted on 12/22/2016 5:40:23 PM PST by BipolarBob
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