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To: HiTech RedNeck
In fact, it can’t be “as they like.” It must be as the Lord teaches or it has to be corrected.

If that were really true they would all be the same. As they are NOT, then your observation is odd. If the Lord teaches ONE thing how can there be so many different Christian denominations? Why are there so many?
OR tell me what the difference is between a Baptist, an Episcopalian and a Presbyterian? What makes them different?

They would be Catholic if they had only ONE interpretation of the Bible. There is a world of difference between Catholics and other Christians. See Church history from 1 A.D. until now. There WAS no other Church until the defrocked, disgraced Father Martin Luther led the way for MORE "protesters."
LOOK UP the plethora of other Christian churches and try to figure out why ordinary men and women "started" their own churches/congregations. Why would they do that?

It isn't just the papacy, started by Jesus to St. Peter. It's also their idea of Mary, the sacraments, the AUTHORITY of the Church in all matters of morality and doctrine/dogma.

Oh well, it's time for me to fold up my tent. G'night.

99 posted on 11/30/2016 9:54:21 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

NO, they wouldn’t all be the same, because they are not robots.

The RCC is expected to be the robots.


100 posted on 11/30/2016 9:55:15 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: cloudmountain

Ultimately your situation devolves into an active debate over who the Infallible Shepherds really are, and the catty talk common to a lot of Catholic discussion threads seem to prove it out, plus showing that the prevailing attitude about it is worldly.

Jesus preached the ideal way to run the churches. Nobody else can run them ideally. They can run in sub-ideal manners because of the promise of Jesus, not by virtue of the way they run.


104 posted on 11/30/2016 10:01:31 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: cloudmountain
If the Lord teaches ONE thing how can there be so many different Christian denominations?

HMMMmmm...


As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18, note the following bishops promise in the profession of faith of Vatican 1:

 Basil of Seleucia, Oratio 25:

'You are Christ, Son of the living God.'...Now Christ called this confession a rock, and he named the one who confessed it 'Peter,' perceiving the appellation which was suitable to the author of this confession. For this is the solemn rock of religion, this the basis of salvation, this the wall of faith and the foundation of truth: 'For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Christ Jesus.' To whom be glory and power forever. — Oratio XXV.4, M.P.G., Vol. 85, Col. 296-297.

Bede, Matthaei Evangelium Expositio, 3:

You are Peter and on this rock from which you have taken your name, that is, on myself, I will build my Church, upon that perfection of faith which you confessed I will build my Church by whose society of confession should anyone deviate although in himself he seems to do great things he does not belong to the building of my Church...Metaphorically it is said to him on this rock, that is, the Saviour which you confessed, the Church is to be built, who granted participation to the faithful confessor of his name. — 80Homily 23, M.P.L., Vol. 94, Col. 260. Cited by Karlfried Froehlich, Formen, Footnote #204, p. 156 [unable to verify by me].

Cassiodorus, Psalm 45.5:

'It will not be moved' is said about the Church to which alone that promise has been given: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I shall build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.' For the Church cannot be moved because it is known to have been founded on that most solid rock, namely, Christ the Lord. — Expositions in the Psalms, Volume 1; Volume 51, Psalm 45.5, p. 455

Chrysostom (John) [who affirmed Peter was a rock, but here not the rock in Mt. 16:18]:

Therefore He added this, 'And I say unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church; that is, on the faith of his confession. — Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of Saint Matthew, Homily LIIl; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf110.iii.LII.html)

Cyril of Alexandria:

When [Peter] wisely and blamelessly confessed his faith to Jesus saying, 'You are Christ, Son of the living God,' Jesus said to divine Peter: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church.' Now by the word 'rock', Jesus indicated, I think, the immoveable faith of the disciple.”. — Cyril Commentary on Isaiah 4.2.

Origen, Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII):

“For a rock is every disciple of Christ of whom those drank who drank of the spiritual rock which followed them, 1 Corinthians 10:4 and upon every such rock is built every word of the church, and the polity in accordance with it; for in each of the perfect, who have the combination of words and deeds and thoughts which fill up the blessedness, is the church built by God.'

“For all bear the surname ‘rock’ who are the imitators of Christ, that is, of the spiritual rock which followed those who are being saved, that they may drink from it the spiritual draught. But these bear the surname of rock just as Christ does. But also as members of Christ deriving their surname from Him they are called Christians, and from the rock, Peters.” — Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII), sect. 10,11 ( http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/101612.htm)

Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II): Thus our one immovable foundation, our one blissful rock of faith, is the confession from Peter's mouth, Thou art the Son of the living God. On it we can base an answer to every objection with which perverted ingenuity or embittered treachery may assail the truth."-- (Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II), para 23; Philip Schaff, editor, The Nicene & Post Nicene Fathers Series 2, Vol 9.

143 posted on 12/01/2016 1:58:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: cloudmountain

Why did Paul start his ministry?


158 posted on 12/01/2016 4:09:42 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: cloudmountain; HiTech RedNeck
If that were really true they would all be the same. ...They would be Catholic if they had only ONE interpretation of the Bible.

If that is your criteria then you can dismiss Catholicism, which, as evidenced daily here, is certainly not one in word or spirit.

And even Catholics have a great deal of liberty to interpret the Bible within the broad of Catholic teaching, while evangelicals typically also have limits in their churches as regards interpreting the Bible.

It is actually those who esteem Scripture the most as literally being the word of God thathat testify to the most unity in basic beliefs and values .

See Church history from 1 A.D. until now. There WAS no other Church until the defrocked, disgraced Father Martin Luther led the way for MORE "protesters."

Which is so ignorant a statement that you should not be in debate.

Besides the basic absence of the Catholic church in the record of the NT church,Rome split from the Orthodox long before Luther was compelled to do so, and remains with substantially difference s.

Oh well, it's time for me to fold up my tent. G'night.

Yes, you should fold up your tent and find solid evangelical fellowship.

176 posted on 12/01/2016 6:31:42 AM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: cloudmountain; HiTech RedNeck
They would be Catholic if they had only ONE interpretation of the Bible.

So the Eastern Orthodox are not Catholics then?

285 posted on 12/01/2016 3:46:39 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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