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To: dp0622
"Take a second look at that priest not being able to get married thing. That WAS NOT the deal since day 1. Didn’t happen till many centuries later. 1139, to be exact.

I believe you're mistake about this Hang on now, it;s not just a technicality From Day One married men were eligible to be ordained priests. BUT priests, once ordained, were not to get married.

It was the sequence pf thing.

Married --> priest OK

Priest --> married never OK

Like for the Permanent Deacons in our day.

4 posted on 10/23/2016 1:44:15 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

But now a married person CANT become a priest, right?

Speaking as a man, asking a man to give up marital relations is asking for YUGE trouble.

It is a driving force that is like no other.

I am for priests being allowed to marry.

Or at least BE married :)


5 posted on 10/23/2016 1:48:28 PM PDT by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ...
From Day One married men were eligible to be ordained priests. BUT priests, once ordained, were not to get married.

You should know better than that. "From Day One" no one was ever ordained as a "priest" in the NT church, since all believers are priests (which word is otherwise used exclusively for Jewish or pagan priests) and NT clergy are never distinctively titled "priest" despite the abundance occurrences of that word, but instead they are called presbuteros (senior/elder) or episkopos (superintendent/overseer) which describes one office, (Titus 1:5-7).

And do not try to pass off that presbuteros means priest or indulge in etymological fallacy, which you should also know better than to try.

As for "once ordained, were not to get married" that is another addition to Scripture, and contrary to the declaration of the only 2 celibate apostles, that they had "the power/authority to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas." (1 Corinthians 9:5)

And who also taught that being married was the norm for pastors (1Tim. 3:1-7) and that being celibate was a gift that not all had. (1Co. 7:7)

It is thus presumptuous to suppose virtually all who are called to the pastorate have that gift, and that this is to be the norm.

12 posted on 10/25/2016 6:18:05 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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