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Catholic Cardinal: No Obligation to Follow a Pope Who Betrays the Church [China]
What Is Up With The Synod ^ | 10/22/16 | Hilary White

Posted on 10/23/2016 1:31:43 PM PDT by marshmallow

I know we were all expecting the crack to come from a completely different corner of the Church, and that hardly anyone has been paying attention to the eagerness of the Francis Vatican to throw the Catholic Church in China to the communist wolves.

As with every jurisdictional Vatican compromise with Communist governments the one in the offing smells of betrayal. There have been four secret meetings between Vatican representatives and Chinese government officials in the past two years, the most recent being at the end of April. Cardinal Zen, retired Bishop of Hong Kong, is not at all optimistic. He does not trust anything that Beijing would offer:

“We do not see any sign that would encourage the hope that the Chinese Communists are about to change their restrictive religious policy…..It is unthinkable to leave the initial proposal in the hands of an atheist government who cannot possibly judge the suitability of a candidate to be a bishop.”

The gist seems to be that the Vatican is working on a deal with the Chinese communists to “ratify” the government’s picks for Catholic bishops, essentially, placing the faithful into the care of those kinds of bishops that their brutal communist bully-boy government thinks are suitable.

But here it is: the first Cardinal of the Catholic Church who has finally confronted Francis.

Cardinal Zen – who has been one of the most outspoken defenders of the Faith in the worst possible circumstances – has said it: Do not follow this pope into his evil designs to destroy Holy Mother Church.

Zen to Chinese Catholics: If agreement with China is signed, do not follow the Pope

Should an agreement be reached between China and the Holy See, this will certainly have “the Pope’s approval”. But China’s Catholics will not be obliged to take......

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To: Antoninus
Scripture doesn't even exist without Apostolic Tradition.

Yeah; sure...


Colossians 4:16
And when this letter is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that you likewise read the letter from Laodicea.


Hey ROME!!

Where is the 'the letter from Laodicea'??

61 posted on 11/01/2016 2:53:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Is there some reason why you won't answer questions lately?

I don't understand...

62 posted on 11/01/2016 2:54:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
According to the Catholic Church: the Catholic Church's birthday was Pentecost. So: approx. 33 AD - present.

Therefore; those 7 screwed up churches in Asia ARE Catholic.

Thanks for the info.

63 posted on 11/01/2016 2:55:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
According to the Catholic Church: the Catholic Church's birthday was Pentecost. So: approx. 33 AD - present.

Therefore; the letter that was written to the Gentiles in Acts 15 DID come from Catholics!

Thanks for clarifying this.

64 posted on 11/01/2016 2:57:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
So, Elsie, what’s the timeline for the existence of the Catholic Church, according to you?

Catholic Cardinal: No Obligation to Follow a Pope Who Betrays the Church

65 posted on 11/01/2016 2:58:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: piusv

me neither...I sense that its all going to pieces and we’ll be just another milk toast religion without rules or boundaries...


66 posted on 11/01/2016 2:58:51 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Elsie

We probably have to stop this conversation here, Elsie, since a persistent disconnect has developed between the questions and the answers.

Which I don’t understand, but hey.


67 posted on 11/01/2016 8:31:59 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. But in practice, there is. Yogi Berra)
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To: Elsie

Everything in the Book of Acts and all the Epistles involves the Catholic Church, her faithful members, and her opponents. So, yes.


68 posted on 11/01/2016 8:34:23 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. But in practice, there is. Yogi Berra)
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To: Elsie

You’re welcome.


69 posted on 11/01/2016 8:34:41 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. But in practice, there is. Yogi Berra)
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To: Elsie

A better term might be “were” Catholic. You’re welcome.


70 posted on 11/01/2016 8:35:44 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. But in practice, there is. Yogi Berra)
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To: Elsie

And John was, of course, a Catholic Apostle, correcting the Catholics who go astray as it is always the duty of the Catholic hierarchy to do.


71 posted on 11/01/2016 8:37:24 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. But in practice, there is. Yogi Berra)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
...correcting the Catholics who go astray as it is always the duty of the Catholic hierarchy to do.

it appears that 'doing penance' doesn't function like it is supposed to.

72 posted on 11/01/2016 11:26:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
We probably have to stop this conversation here, Elsie, since a persistent disconnect has developed between the questions and the answers.

This same attitude has just been expressed by the DNC!

73 posted on 11/01/2016 11:27:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

And how do you think it is supposed to function?


74 posted on 11/01/2016 11:28:58 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. But in practice, there is. Yogi Berra)
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To: Elsie
The DNC --- the main gang of offenders on this score --- is complaining about a disconnect between the questions and the answers?

Praise God! Repentance may be at hand!

75 posted on 11/01/2016 11:42:51 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Blessed be God in His Angels and in His Saints.)
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