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To: MHGinTN
... Salvation can be earned by doing, ...

Salvation is not earned. It is the gift of God. We who are in the Messiah were created in Him to do good works and are commanded to do good works. When the LORD Jesus Christ speaks to the churches in Revelation, he mentions works twelve times, emphasizing its importance. We should obey the Messiah.

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.


Ephesians, Catholic chapter two, Protestant verses one to twenty you.

366 posted on 10/01/2016 6:55:00 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
Matthew 7:21-23 is an interesting teaching from Jesus. How would you say the 'works' addressed there differ from the works you rightly identify as commanded to walk in for those born from above? ... What does Jesus mean by 'I never knew you'?

You being a Catholic claiming to be 'in Messiah', what is the state of being in Him (and we would presume therefore He in you) and does this relationship need to be maintained by you via your fidelity to the Catholic sacraments? ... If you are in Him, can this status come and go and come and go during your life's walk?

367 posted on 10/01/2016 8:23:30 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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