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To: af_vet_1981
. . . I am not in rebellion or protesting. I am in faith believing the words of the LORD Jesus Christ, that He built His church on the Apostle Peter, . . .

No, you are believing in the wrong interpretation of the inspired words Jesus spoke to Peter in the hearing of the group, and that means you have been misdirected.

When you refuse to interpret the passage as the hearers would have understood, you will see that the grammar does not and cannot support your hypothesis.

If you keep on insisting, the result is that you are self-deluded and in denial of simple literal understanding of what Jesus said.

At the outset of Jesus' public ministry, He gave Simon bar Jonah the diminutive name "Kephas," only used twice in the OT to describe large stones or boulders. The only translation into Koine is that of John 1:42, Πέτρος (petros) which means the same as the Hebrew by definition, a boulder, incapable of supporting the extent of a whole house. In fact, the only use of petros in the NT was as Simon bar Jonah's alternative ego.

In comparison, the word πέτρα (petra), in every other place used in the NT, it has the sense of a broad expanse of granitic or sedimentary layers, an escarpment at least, and forming a whole mountain or range of mountains. To get a feel of this, refer to Jesus speaking in Matthew 7 of a clear literal example of a man building his house on a deep, wide rock expanse, not on top of a boulder. Romans 9:33 and 1 Peter 2:8 speak of a "rock of offence" a petra, where they cite Isaiah 8:14. There the "rock" exactly translated is:

H6697
צר / צוּר (Aramaic)
tsûr
BDB Definition:
1) rock, cliff (noun masculine)
. . 1a) rocky wall, cliff
. . 1b) rock (with flat surface)
. . 1c) block of stone, boulder
. . 1d) rock (specific)
. . 1e) rock (of God)
. . 1f) rock (of heathen gods)
. . 1g) Rock (noun proper deity)

In the figurative sense, as used in the references cited, and in Matthew 16:18, and anywhere in the whole Bible, whether "petra" or "tsur" it always refers to the Mighty, Everlasting, God only. That word, that term is reserved for God in Christ Alone, and never, no not ever describes or applies to the merits of any fallible, weak, sinning, human who must die physically for his(her) sins, bar none, and who cannot yet handle his own life, let alone the lives of others.

If you haven't yet got this, this is a deep spiritual thing shown to and believed by the faithful, spiritual human who believes in the Word of The God, and not in the circuitous reasonings and slippery advice of any fellow human deliberately or inadvertently rejecting The Spirit's counsel in that Word.

What Jesus is saying to Simon and His students is that He is the Everlasting God, a Mighty Fortress-bearing Foundation of Immovable aluminosilicate, to Whom in the Jewish Scriptures the word "Rock" is applied numerous times (I didn't count them, but finally had no need to, because of their multiplicity and emphasis) upon whom, figuratively speaking, His Church of living stones would be built. Peter, being one of the Twelve Apostles (11 plus Paul, not Matthias) would as mighty missionaries, serve as the great foundational ashlars, Peter being only one of them (Ephesians 2:20-22), with a few prophets like Jude, and James/Yakov, and Luke, and John Mark thrown in.

Only a complete dunce could possibly think that any human living in the Church/Grace Age, still in the process of sanctification but still not perfect, could bear the weight and the responsibility for its welfare. Now Peter might have thought that he could (they were still arguing heatedly about their pecking order, while Jesus was preparing for the Cross). And, don't forget, Jesus did not entrust His mother's care to Peter, No way for the guy who had just denied any association with Him six times between midnight and dawn-break before His slaughter.

Eh? Are you still there?

298 posted on 09/25/2016 9:35:09 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1

Thanks bro.


302 posted on 09/25/2016 10:11:57 PM PDT by Mark17 (Calvary's love has never faltered. All it's wonder still remains. Souls still take eternal passage.)
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To: imardmd1
No, you are believing in the wrong interpretation of the inspired words Jesus spoke to Peter in the hearing of the group, and that means you have been misdirected.

Do you have some academic credentials as a linguist that would qualify you to direct someone ?

Peshitta Aramaic/English Interlinear New Testament

The Preaching of Mattai
Chapter: 16


Eh? Are you still there?

307 posted on 09/26/2016 5:40:56 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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