Posted on 09/22/2016 7:34:49 PM PDT by marshmallow
A meeting between Pope Francis and Cardinal Claudio Hummes has touched off speculation that the Pope might support a move to allow the ordination of married men as priests.
Cardinal Hummes, the former prefect of the Congregation for the Clergy, has indicated his support for a discussion of allowing married priests in areas where the shortage of clergy is particularly acute, such as in the Amazon region of his native Brazil.
Sandro Magister, the veteran Vatican-watcher for L'Espresso, reports rumors in Rome that Pope Francis intends to devote the next meeting of the Synod of Bishops to discussion of the clergy: a topic that would allow for debate on the issue of celibacy.
Not Enough Celibate Priests? Make Way For Married Priests (L'Espresso)
You may not see the irony in validating the point I made.
Corrupt church institution, with a notorious reputation for tolerating and sheltering homosexual pedophiles who love to “groom” fresh young meat parishioners, naturally had turned so many seminaries into bath houses.
Here’s a solution to counter justified criticism -
RCC needs revival, and casting off its awful history of overbearing irrational control and cruelty.
The Pope, gross ill-gotten riches and corrupt hierarchy has got to all go in order to align with Jesus’s teaching and godly governance.
RCC could rightly rebrand with pride accentuating it’s really good missions (anti-abortion, hospitals, godly schools), cast off incongruent ungodly practices (see above), and be a bright blameless godly force, as Jesus and god instructs.
RE: “according to the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, over 86% of those priests were homosexuals.”
Several of those transferring conversions have been ordained in our archdiocese, too.
Now is not the time. You allow married Priests and within 10 years you will have female Priests too.
**RCC is dying out.**
Not so. I believe there was a thread posted about how Catholicism has doubled in numbers.
The men receiving the Sacrament of Holy Orders are on three levels:
Deacon
Priest
Bishop
Women partake in final vows, but it is not the sacrament of Holy Orders. Same for brothers. Some monks are ordained priests, however.
The Episcopal Church USA, yes. The Anglican Church worldwide is against ordination of homosexual priests.
The practice of priestly celibacy is not, in fact, a doctrine of the Catholic Church. It is a discipline. Doctrine cannot and will not change. Discipline, on the other hand, can be changed.
I say let them serve while married. Having a supportive partner will help stabilize that priest.
I would guess it’s more difficult to remain chaste in today’s world than it was hundreds of years ago. The internet has made the world a much smaller,less naive place.
“Now is not the time. You allow married Priests and within 10 years you will have female Priests too.”
All you have to do is look at who is always most against the discipline. It’s always the liberals who hate it the most, invariably. There’s not one liberal out there who thinks it is valuable and thinks it should continue. They all seem to hate it and think it should be ended.
Freegards
Ok, let them be married but keep Cannon 277.
Can. 277 §1. Clerics are obliged to observe perfect and perpetual continence for the sake of the kingdom of heaven and therefore are bound to celibacy which is a special gift of God by which sacred ministers can adhere more easily to Christ with an undivided heart and are able to dedicate themselves more freely to the service of God and humanity.
§2. Clerics are to behave with due prudence towards persons whose company can endanger their obligation to observe continence or give rise to scandal among the faithful.
Why not? It is not prohibited in the NT.
Yes, there were some bishops and priests that sheltered pedophiles. They will get their reward when they stand before the Lord.
The Catholic Church is not going anywhere. Only something that is being protected by the Lord God Almighty could last as long as the Catholic Church has. We are talking about the church that the Lord Jesus Christ personally established. The Holy Spirit protects it. Catholicism is here to stay until the Second Coming.
So be it, if they are true believers with a drive to help people.
Semantics. In this case a discipline with no biblical basis for its application is used to disqualify qualified candidates.
If you dont agree to it you cannot be a priest/bishop/cardinal/pope.
Which is ridiculous. Its not even just a particular sect or order discipline. It is across the board everywhere. It has severely damaged the Roman Catholic church by demanding this of all applicants.
Look this is hopeless.
People are for the most part fully wed to their beliefs, values and interests.
Practicing Catholics have invested a lot of spiritual and emotional capital to get where they are.
You don’t need me or anyone else to criticize or bust chops over the faith you’re devoted to.
My Only interest in Catholicism is how it affects me and the world.
A strong GODLY BLAMELESS church can be a Huge force in the world spiritually, and culturally.
When a Marxist humanist pope leads a corrupt church, encouraging illegal immigration and muslim refugees invasion because the Catholic service rakes in TENS of MILLIONS, that’s BAD for western civilization and free republics.
Facts:
The RCC is dying in Europe, Canada. Dioceses are selling off churches in droves, which in turn become mosques.
I’ve seen it personally in Quebec, and Paris.
The world needs a BRIGHT GODLY BLAMELESS Roman Catholic church.
Reform fully aligning to: WWJD.
Please.
Pew survey: Percentage of US Catholics drops and Catholicism is losing members faster than any denomination
Michael O’Loughlin
May 12, 2015
CRUX CONTRIBUTOR
A report released Tuesday by the Pew Forum finds that the total number of Catholics in the United States dropped by 3 million since 2007, now comprising about 20 percent - or one-fifth - of the total population.
And perhaps more troubling for the church, for every one Catholic convert, more than six Catholics leave the church. Taken a step further, Catholicism loses more members than it gains at a higher rate than any other denomination, with nearly 13 percent of all Americans describing themselves as “former Catholics.”
What about what St. Paul had to say in 1 Cor. 7:1-7, 32-34, and 38?
Well said.
Also, can’t believe on my first day registered I multi-post. Sorry about that.
We are close to several priests and see how all-consuming the life is, total devotion to the service of the people of God. They barely have time for decent rest let alone a family life. They hang out with us and other friends for support. Last week one friend had a long day then came a medical emergency so off to the hospital, the lady forgot something she needed, would he go to her house and get it, yes, of course, other people see a priest at the hospital, they ask him to come and pray with their friend/family member, go home, oh wait, the lady is being discharged at 3 am, could you come get her, of course. He maybe had two hours of sleep, maybe, before he had to get up and do it again. A wife and children would always be second place. All of my priest friends are vowed to serve the people and they do 24/7.
RCC, help -
We’re way better off seeing Habits, than Hijabs!
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Why do you think every liberal group out there is against the Catholics on this? Doesn’t that give you at least some pause about it? That some conservative Christian think the Catholic discipline is valuable, and should continue vs. some Christian conservatives that think it isn’t valuable and should end + every single liberal individual and group that also invariably believes that too?
Every person that accepts abortion, ‘gay marriage’ and female clergy invariably agrees with doing away with Catholic discipline of celibacy in the latin rite. Try to find one that doesn’t. That there is no connection about this preference is absurd.
Freegards
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