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To: NRx

I was taught we die and sleep till judgement day after end times

Now some evangelicals tell me no we go to be judged at death

So what is it and do diff sects see it different

Answers appreciated but no long cut and pastes please


94 posted on 07/28/2016 2:00:04 AM PDT by wardaddy (black lives kill....and kill....and kill.....like no other race today senselessly)
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To: wardaddy

Does it really matter what the sects say? The confusion lies in allowing others to tell us what God said, instead of believing Him when we read it ourselves.

Man is soil and returns to the soil (Gen.3:19). The spirit returns to God who gave it (Ecc.12:7). The soul returns to the unseen whence it came (Psa.9:17 and Acts 2:27,31). Job speaks of death itself as a return when he says: For I know that Thou wilt return me to death. (Job 30:23 AV).

There is no conscious existence in death for anyone. No believers “live” in some sort of spiritual body after they die. They are dead, their elements and life force no longer function.

The Scriptures describe in detail what the death state is. We do not experience another life “in heaven” with the Lord when we die, as some suggest when taking Paul’s statements out of context. They have managed to somehow dismiss his words on resurrection, besides not understanding what scriptural death is:

1C 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
And if Christ be not risen, then [is] our preaching vain, and your faith [is] also vain

Those who are saved through Paul’s preaching are not only resurrected, they are instantly changed into the Lord’s likeness,”in the wink of an eye” when the Day of the Lord is about to be ushered in on earth.

God holds us accountable as believers, but that is not the same as the negative “judgment” that unbelievers receive at the Great White Throne a thousand years after He returns to earth.

2C 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things [done] in [his] body, according to that he hath done, whether [it be] good or bad.

This occurs for our benefit, to eliminate the record of the wrongs we have committed, and the acknowledgment of the good we have done according to His will during this life. It is a session of rewards for service. There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ, period.


150 posted on 07/28/2016 8:49:36 AM PDT by 5cents (fivesense)
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To: wardaddy
I was taught we die and sleep till judgement day after end times

That is what the book seems to indicate.


The other viewpoint is quite convoluted.


Psalm 13:3
Look on me and answer, Lord my God. Give light to my eyes, or I will sleep in death,
 
Psalm 90:5
Yet you sweep people away in the sleep of death— they are like the new grass of the morning:
 
Daniel 12:2
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
 
 
John 11:12-13
His disciples replied, “Lord, if he sleeps, he will get better.”
Jesus had been speaking of his death, but his disciples thought he meant natural sleep.
 

1 Corinthians 15:51-52
Listen, I tell you a mystery:
We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.
For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
 

Ephesians 5:14
This is why it is said: “Wake up, sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”
 

1 Thessalonians 4:13
Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope.
 

219 posted on 07/28/2016 2:28:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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