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To: metmom; All
Are you forgetting that Abraham believed God and it was CREDITED to him as righteousness.

Salvation was by faith long before the Law.


Genesis 15
6 And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

How are you getting to this conclusion?

Yes, Abraham believed in the Lord, of course he did. Then Abraham went about doing everything the Lord commanded him.

Then after Lord tested Abraham, especially after commanding him to sacrifice Issac...then the Lord blessed him.

Gen 22:
18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Because thou has obeyed my voice. -How much clearer can it get?

You still haven't addressed Matt 25. Where the Lord explains that the judgement for the righteous and wicked is all about their works. Works = faith.


782 posted on 08/15/2016 7:38:02 AM PDT by StormPrepper
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To: StormPrepper

I did explain it.

It’s not talking about church age believers.

Try rereading it again.

Plus, salvation has ALWAYS been by faith, even under the Law.

The Law was put in charge to lead us to Christ. The purpose of the Law was NEVER to make man righteous by adhering to it. It was put in place to show us God’s requirements and that we could not reach them.

One sin and you die, are hell bound. Unless that one sin is dealt with, no amount of good works can make you right with God again. Doesn’t matter if you lived an otherwise perfect life.

Works don’t save anyone and they never will. Works are the fruit, the result of salvation, not the cause of it and are irrelevant to obtaining it in the first place.


789 posted on 08/15/2016 7:59:08 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: StormPrepper
The Pharisee and the Tax Collector

Luke 18:9-14 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’

But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”

Philippians 3:2-9 Look out for the dogs, look out for the evildoers, look out for those who mutilate the flesh. For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh—though I myself have reason for confidence in the flesh also. If anyone else thinks he has reason for confidence in the flesh, I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness under the law, blameless.

But whatever gain I had, I counted as loss for the sake of Christ. Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith—

All that hard work and Paul counts it as rubbish for the excellency of knowing CHRIST.

Religion is worthless in knowing God. All it does it provide an opportunity for the flesh to brag about itself.

Colossians 2:16-23 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God.

If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” (referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh. Matthew 6:1-8 “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.

Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

790 posted on 08/15/2016 8:01:35 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: StormPrepper
Yes, Abraham believed in the Lord, of course he did. Then Abraham went about doing everything the Lord commanded him.

Saved by Faith - Kept by Works.


You got a valid TR StormPrepper?



792 posted on 08/15/2016 8:50:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: StormPrepper
Works = faith.

I detect a failing grade in Logic 101.

793 posted on 08/15/2016 8:51:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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