[StormPrepper]

You don't know the story of the thief bro. Matthew 27:44. Both initially mocked him. Later, one changed his mind.

He just happened to change his mind? Really? I also know how stories get told. And how people view events. No one goes from mocking to humble repentance in 1 second. I view this in the same light as the three accounts of Saul on the road to Damascus. Three different accounts of the same event, two are wrong, but it was just an observation someone was making.

In reality I doubt if they were both actually mocking Jesus because one thief stopped the other from doing it. It was just an observation from those near by. Pretty much a nit pick by those on this thread trying to prop up a weak argument.

[metmom]

He just happened to change his mind? Really?

Yes, he did change his mind.

It's called *repentance*.

It's written down right there in Scripture. I posted the passages to you before. The one thief initially mocked Him and then CHANGED HIS MIND ie REPENTED, and was saved.

If you choose to not believe Scripture, there's not much anyone can say to you that will sink in.

Go ahead, tell us that the Bible is wrong.

[Mark17]

You don’t know the story of the thief bro, but you can think whatever you like. That’s on you. I don’t do false religions.

[Elsie]

I also know how stories get told.

I'll bet!

[Elsie]

And how people view events.

So true!!

[Elsie]

Three different accounts of the same event, two are wrong, but it was just an observation someone was making.

Which two?

[Elsie]

Nine or eight different accounts of the same event: First Vision.

Kinda makes ya wonder which one (if any) are right; doesn't it.

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Version Number When Published Brief Description	Age/Year	Evil Power	Pillar of Light or Fire	Number of Personages	Father	Son	Question: Join What Sect	Remarks
Official Version,  Mormon scripture,  Pearl of Great Price p. 47, 48, 1974 Ed.	Age 14 1820	Yes	Yes Light	2	Yes	Yes	Join None	Lucy, Hyrum, Samuel, Sopronia Join Presbyterian Church 1820
Paper by Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons March, April 1842	Same as item 1 above
Letter from Joseph Smith to John Wentworth,  editor Chicago Democrat 1841 account Published March 1,1842	None given	No	No	2	?	?	No question, told all incorrect	Joseph Smith's First Vision by Milton V. Backman Jr. Bookcraft, Appendix D. Ensign, Jan.1985, p. 16
				Both looked the Same They spoke
Dictated by Joseph Smith, in hand of  James Mulholland, 1838	Same as item 1 above, first known account of the official version.							Ensign,  Jan. 1985 p. 14
Joseph Smith's diary of 1835, Recorded by  Warren Cowdery  Nov. 9, 1835, conversation of Joseph Smith with Joshua	Joseph, about 14	No Tongue seemed swollen; heard someone; at first couldn't pray	Yes Fire	One, and then another like unto the first	?	?	No question, told sins are forgiven, Jesus Christ is the Son of God	Joseph Smith's First Vision  by Milton V. Backman Jr. Bookcraft, Appendix B
				Second spoke.
				Saw many angels
Messenger & Advocate by Oliver Cowdery supervised by  Joseph Smith  Feb. 1835  p. 77-79;  Also see Dec. 1834 p. 43	Joseph 17 1823	No	Yes	1	No	No	No question told sin are forgiven	Note on pg. 78 that the revival was in 1823 (NOT 1820) so this must be the First Vision.
				Messenger from God
Dictated by Joseph Smith  to F. G. Williams Summer to Nov. 1832	Joseph 14 or 16	No	Yes	1	No	Yes	No question, told "None doeth good", sins forgiven	Joseph Smith's First Vision  by Milton V. Backman Jr. Bookcraft, Appendix A
				Saw Lord (Jesus) he "spoke"
Written by Joseph Smith, 1832 diary	Joseph 15	No	Yes	1	No	Yes	No question, told sins forgiven all do no good	Ensign,  Dec. 1984 pgs. 24-26  Jan. 1985 pg. 11
				Saw the Lord Jesus Christ (said He was crucified)
Early Church leaders  B. Young,  G. A. Smith,  J. Taylor	Joseph 15	No	No	1	No	No	Join None	Journal of Discourses, 2:171; 18:239; 13:77,78; 20:167; 12:333,334
				Saw an angel, and asked the angel

[Elsie]

Pretty much a nit pick by those on this thread trying to prop up a weak argument.

Yeah; we've all seen this before.

Sometimes there is no amount of propping that will work; so the topic just gets ignored.