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To: dartuser

“For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.”

Paul was speaking to the Corinthian believers ... and he says they were ALL baptized into one body ... that can only be true if spirit baptism happens at conversion.

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You conclude: “that can only be true if spirit baptism happens at conversion”. The scriptures say no such thing. In fact they say that the Holy Spirit can pretty much do what He wants to do. That is what I am trying to explain to you: He is the Potter and we are the clay!

Also, please stop trying to make rules out of the scriptures! The Law has been fulfilled, by Jesus Christ. The “New Commandment” that Jesus gave was “that you love one another!” Note that that commandment was also the old Commandment, it just wasn’t followed. If you are fulled with the Holy Spirit, then his commandments have been written on you heart.

There is no transition between the Old Testament and the New Testament! Everything was prophesied in Old Testament. The “New Testament” is more like a “Renewed Covenant” in which Jesus tried to reset mankind to follow the core Commandments of the Old Testament. After you go through the Bible a dozen times of so, you will see this pattern emerge.


22 posted on 07/19/2016 12:14:00 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!e)
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To: SubMareener
You asserted, regarding the clear post you've not understood: You conclude: “that can only be true if spirit baptism happens at conversion”. The scriptures say no such thing. In fact they say that the Holy Spirit can pretty much do what He wants to do. That is what I am trying to explain to you: He is the Potter and we are the clay!

As a member of a works based religion, catholiciism, you do not comprehend the Salvation THEN sanctification reality of the Holy Spirit IN the believer. The Potter and clay reference is regarding the life of those who believe in Christ, aside from you taking it out of context. But then, catholiciism teaches you that you eat the actual body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ at catholic Mass, so anything can be believed in such an 'other religion'.

23 posted on 07/19/2016 12:21:31 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: SubMareener
You conclude: “that can only be true if spirit baptism happens at conversion”. The scriptures say no such thing.

If Paul was speaking to believers (which he was), and he said they had all been baptized by the spirit (and he did) ... then OF NECESSITY that has to happen at conversion ... otherwise there may have been some who were not baptized into Christ yet ... i.e. your erroneous position.

If it happens to ALL ... then the only time that can be is initial conversion.

Paul refutes your position, where some Christians are indwelt and some others are not. Further, your position undermines the essential unity of the church. There is no have and have nots in the church of Christ. We all have been made to drink of one Spirit. To suggest otherwise is to place direct division into the church. If you view the church as those who have the spirit and those who don't ... you really do not understand conversion.

There is no transition between the Old Testament and the New Testament!

Of course there is ... the fundamental difference between Gods people in the OT and the NT is the indwelling of the HS. The Mosaic covenant did not guarantee regeneration ... the New Covenant does ... it is the entrance requirement for the covenant.

There are NO unregenerate believers in Christ church ... regeneration is how you become a member of His body.

Everything was prophesied in Old Testament

Show me the OT prophecy where the church is predicted. This will tell a lot about the Biblical hermeneutic you are applying to the text.

The “New Testament” is more like a “Renewed Covenant” in which Jesus tried to reset mankind to follow the core Commandments of the Old Testament.

Nonsense ... Jer. 31:31 and Ezekiel 36 describe a NEW covenant, not a renewed covenant ... it is not like the Old covenant ... because regeneration was not guaranteed under the old covenant ... it is under the new.

After you go through the Bible a dozen times of so, you will see this pattern emerge.

Only if you are predisposed to look for it ...

25 posted on 07/19/2016 12:37:08 PM PDT by dartuser
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To: SubMareener

In the Upper Room Discourse (see John 14 and the latter portion of chapter 13), Jesus introduced a New Covenant. He took the occasion of the Passover Seder to do this. Jesus introduced His closest friends to the Dispensation of God’s Grace in Christ for ANY/ALL who believe in Him as their Savior and Lord. This results in faithing (the verb form), living in a New Relationship with The Lord from Heaven who took flesh and dwelt among us.


26 posted on 07/19/2016 12:39:53 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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