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Sadly many Catholics do not want to believe that their religion has changed. That the Bible, like the Constitution, has been made irrelevant. It really is no longer a religion of God, or one that God would accept.


3 posted on 07/13/2016 12:37:01 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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This “Pope” is turning RC teachings on their head. The fraud is almost indistinguishable from Maobama and Rotten.


4 posted on 07/13/2016 12:43:52 PM PDT by alstewartfan (I sit here by the banks of the Rhine Dipping my feet in the cold stream of time. 1934 by Al Stewart)
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Our Catholic “religion” has not changed. The problem is clerics in high places, like Gomez and his predecessor Mahony,-— and their middle-management accomplices -— who are promoting bizarre mutant ideologies not recognizable as Catholicism.

The solution is for Catholics to live Catholicism, and to demand this of the false or cowardly shepherds.


7 posted on 07/13/2016 12:52:44 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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What you MEANT to say is that Roman Catholicism does not (and never has) shared your imaginings as to the meaning of Scripture.

AND, if the current occupant of the papacy, Bergoglio offends YOU in some way, imagine how offended CATHOLICS are. Nonetheless, with scant research, I can give you ten utterly notorious papal predecessors of Bergoglio. Familiarize yourself with the late 15th century disgrace Alexander VI (maiden name Borgia and father of poisoner Lucretia Borgia and warlord Cesare Borgia).

You seem to operate under the common non-Catholic assumption that papal infallibility (defined in the mid-nineteenth century) suggests impeccability (sinlessness of popes ex officio). It means nothing whatsoever of the sort. Popes are as eligible for hell as anyone else. Dante in his great Catholic literary work The Divine Comedy places many of them in hell together with specific reasons. Of course, what actually happened to their souls was God's call and not Dante's but Catholics have no tradition of believing popes sinless or ineligible for permanent consignment to hell.

Reflection should lead you to the conclusion that the pope has an incredible spiritual burden on his shoulders and that failure to adequately bear that burden is a near occasion of hell.

I generally avoid arguing here with the "reformed" Christians but your posts demand a Catholic response. If you respond, I may not feel moved to respond to you but you do not know what you are talking about whatever YOU may imagine. If you imagine yourself Catholic but disagreeing with Bergoglio, that is a different matter.

As to Bergoglio, he is a rank disgrace but he is not going to drive me from Catholicism to error. He will be dead soon enough and his election or that of someone like him is not likely to be repeated by the next conclave. I cannot imagine the lies that must have been told artfully at his conclave to get him elected.

Like Saint John Paul II and Pope John Paul I and Pope Benedict XVI having to clean up the mess of John XXIII and Paul VI, the next pope will have the task of cleaning up Bergoglio's mess. The truly evil cabal of cardinals who conspired in his election will be dead or forcibly retired by old age (Kaspar, Marx, Schoenbrun, Madariaga, O'Malley, Bergoglio himself, and others collectively known as the St. Gall Society originally formed to make the radical Jesuit Jose Maria Martini of Milan pope but he aged out an died before they could elect him) Finally, Jesus Christ founded this Roman Catholic Church on Peter or (if you prefer) on Peter's confession of Faith and promised to be WITH that Church ALL days until the end of the world. It was in all the Bibles.

I regard Jesus Christ's promises as valid. How about you?

God bless you and yours!

15 posted on 07/13/2016 2:25:42 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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