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Cardinal Schönborn Says Amoris Laetitia is Binding Doctrine [Catholic Caucus]
One Peter Five ^ | July 7, 2016 | Maike Hickson

Posted on 07/07/2016 3:18:04 PM PDT by ebb tide

Austrian Catholic website kath.net reports that on 7 July, Cardinal Christoph Schönborn published an interview in the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera, in which he said that Amoris Laetitia is a binding doctrinal document. From now on, says Schönborn, all the previous magisterial texts concerning marriage and the family “have to be read in the light of Amoris Laetitia.”

Schönborn also said in this interview – a fuller excerpt of this text has now been published in English in the Jesuit journal Civiltà Cattolica – that it is “obvious” that Amoris Laetitia is an act of the Magisterium since it is an Apostolic Exhortation. Kath.net reports:

All previous magisterial statements concerning marriage and the family now have to be read in the light of Amoris Laetitia, Schönborn stressed, and just as today the First Vatican Council (1869-1870) must be interpreted in the light of the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965).

Cardinal Raymond Burke had previously claimed that Amoris Laetitia did not have a doctrinally binding character; Cardinal Carlo Caffarra and Cardinal Walter Brandmüller both had insisted that Amoris Laetitia had to be read in light of the previous magisterial texts.

Cardinal Schönborn also now says that Amoris Laetitia is “an authentic lesson of the holy teaching” which now actualizes doctrine for today’s world. He added, according to kath.net:

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, as Prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, had once told him, during that time, that one should not handle all of the cases of the remarried divorcees according to one overall general rule.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: adultery; francischurch; homos; noitidart; schonborn
All previous magisterial statements concerning marriage and the family now have to be read in the light of Amoris Laetitia, Schönborn stressed, and just as today the First Vatican Council (1869-1870) must be interpreted in the light of the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965).

So now the so-called "hermeneutic of continuity" must work backwards into time. How convenient for the Modernists.

1 posted on 07/07/2016 3:18:04 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

They are all “living documents” now.


2 posted on 07/07/2016 3:21:09 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("It's okay to commit felonies as long as breaking the law isn't your primary objective." James Comey)
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To: ebb tide

No one can tell me what to think.


3 posted on 07/07/2016 4:10:58 PM PDT by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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4 posted on 07/07/2016 4:11:36 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: ebb tide
That's truly shocking.

As you rightly comment, "Hermeneutic of Continuity" doesn't work backwards. As I've remarked before, if I had a catechumen student who made that statement and stuck to it --- manifesting a strong view that doctrine is a progressive invention where the "latest" trumps the past --- I would say that person does not grasp Catholicism and, until he or she get a better understanding, should not be received into the Church.

5 posted on 07/07/2016 4:17:34 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Slander no one: be peaceable, considerate, exercising all graciousness toward everyone. " Titus 3:2)
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To: ebb tide
This is the "binding doctrine."

God's Word. Anyone who goes against God's Word is against the Lord Himself.

6 posted on 07/07/2016 5:33:51 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: ebb tide

When the Catholic Church proclaims that what was the Truth yesterday is no longer the Truth today, then it will no longer be a Catholic Church.


7 posted on 07/07/2016 5:47:55 PM PDT by pleasenotcalifornia
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To: ebb tide

It’s a big club and either you are in it or you are not in it.


8 posted on 07/07/2016 5:56:17 PM PDT by soycd
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To: ebb tide
From now on, says Schönborn, all the previous magisterial texts concerning marriage and the family “have to be read in the light of Amoris Laetitia.”

"Tail wags dog" scenario and exactly backwards.

The correct answer is that Amoris laetitia is to be read in the light of all previous magisterial documents on marriage and the family. If it cannot be read in such a light, then it represents a rupture.

9 posted on 07/07/2016 6:12:33 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
"Tail wags dog" scenario and exactly backwards.

As in Francis letting Schonborn wag him silly?

For your own peace of mind, I have to tell you that everything that is written in the exhortation [Amoris Laetitia] – and here I refer to the words of a great theologian who once was a secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Schönborn, who presented it [Amoris Laetitia] – everything is Thomistic, from the beginning to the end. It is sound doctrine. But, so many times, we want it to be so that sound doctrine would have a mathematical security which does not, in fact, exist – neither in a lax and indulgent way, nor in a stiff and rigid way. Pope Francis.

10 posted on 07/07/2016 6:59:46 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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Some Thomistic philosophy for Francis, Schonborn, and company:

Regarding adultery:

Reply to Objection 1. If a married man has intercourse with another woman, his sin may be denominated either with regard to him, and thus it is always adultery, since his action is contrary to the fidelity of marriage, or with regard to the woman with whom he has intercourse; and thus sometimes it is adultery, as when a married man has intercourse with another’s wife; and sometimes it has the character of seduction, or of some other sin, according to various conditions affecting the woman with whom he has intercourse: and it has been stated above (Article 1) that the species of lust correspond to the various conditions of women.

Reply to Objection 2. Matrimony is specially ordained for the good of human offspring, as stated above (Article 2). But adultery is specially opposed to matrimony, in the point of breaking the marriage faith which is due between husband and wife. And since the man who is too ardent a lover of his wife acts counter to the good of marriage if he use her indecently, although he be not unfaithful, he may in a sense be called an adulterer; and even more so than he that is too ardent a lover of another woman.

Regarding sodomy:

I answer that, In every genus, worst of all is the corruption of the principle on which the rest depend. Now the principles of reason are those things that are according to nature, because reason presupposes things as determined by nature, before disposing of other things according as it is fitting. This may be observed both in speculative and in practical matters. Wherefore just as in speculative matters the most grievous and shameful error is that which is about things the knowledge of which is naturally bestowed on man, so in matters of action it is most grave and shameful to act against things as determined by nature. Therefore, since by the unnatural vices man transgresses that which has been determined by nature with regard to the use of venereal actions, it follows that in this matter this sin is gravest of all. After it comes incest, which, as stated above (Article 9), is contrary to the natural respect which we owe persons related to us.

With regard to the other species of lust they imply a transgression merely of that which is determined by right reason, on the presupposition, however, of natural principles. Now it is more against reason to make use of the venereal act not only with prejudice to the future offspring, but also so as to injure another person besides. Wherefore simple fornication, which is committed without injustice to another person, is the least grave among the species of lust. Then, it is a greater injustice to have intercourse with a woman who is subject to another’s authority as regards the act of generation, than as regards merely her guardianship. Wherefore adultery is more grievous than seduction. And both of these are aggravated by the use of violence. Hence rape of a virgin is graver than seduction, and rape of a wife than adultery. And all these are aggravated by coming under the head of sacrilege, as stated above (10, ad 2).

Reply to Objection 1. Just as the ordering of right reason proceeds from man, so the order of nature is from God Himself: wherefore in sins contrary to nature, whereby the very order of nature is violated, an injury is done to God, the Author of nature. Hence Augustine says (Confess. iii, 8): “Those foul offenses that are against nature should be everywhere and at all times detested and punished, such as were those of the people of Sodom, which should all nations commit, they should all stand guilty of the same crime, by the law of God which hath not so made men that they should so abuse one another. For even that very intercourse which should be between God and us is violated, when that same nature, of which He is the Author, is polluted by the perversity of lust.”

Reply to Objection 2. Vices against nature are also against God, as stated above (ad 1), and are so much more grievous than the depravity of sacrilege, as the order impressed on human nature is prior to and more firm than any subsequently established order.

Reply to Objection 3. The nature of the species is more intimately united to each individual, than any other individual is. Wherefore sins against the specific nature are more grievous.

Reply to Objection 4. Gravity of a sin depends more on the abuse of a thing than on the omission of the right use. Wherefore among sins against nature, the lowest place belongs to the sin of uncleanness, which consists in the mere omission of copulation with another. While the most grievous is the sin of bestiality, because use of the due species is not observed. Hence a gloss on Genesis 37:2, “He accused his brethren of a most wicked crime,” says that “they copulated with cattle.” After this comes the sin of sodomy, because use of the right sex is not observed. Lastly comes the sin of not observing the right manner of copulation, which is more grievous if the abuse regards the “vas” than if it affects the manner of copulation in respect of other circumstances.

11 posted on 07/07/2016 7:09:38 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: pleasenotcalifornia; All
When the Catholic Church proclaims that what was the Truth yesterday is no longer the Truth today, then it will no longer be a Catholic Church.

Vatican II already proclaims contradictions to the Truth. When Catholics realize this they must figure out how to square that with the Faith. There have been different opinions on this, but in the end the Catholic Church must remain infallibly safe and indefectible:

It might be definitely understood, however, that the Catholic’s duty to accept the teachings conveyed in the encyclicals even when the Holy Father does not propose such teachings as a part of his infallible magisterium is not based merely upon the dicta of the theologians. The authority which imposes this obligation is that of the Roman Pontiff himself. To the Holy Father’s responsibility of caring for the sheep of Christ’s fold, there corresponds, on the part of the Church’s membership, the basic obligation of following his directions, in doctrinal as well as disciplinary matters. In this field, God has given the Holy Father a kind of infallibility distinct from the charism of doctrinal infallibility in the strict sense. He has so constructed and ordered the Church that those who follow the directives given to the entire kingdom of God on earth will never be brought into the position of ruining themselves spiritually through this obedience. Our Lord dwells within His Church in such a way that those who obey disciplinary and doctrinal directives of this society can never find themselves displeasing God through their adherence to the teachings and the commands given to the universal Church militant. Hence there can be no valid reason to discountenance even the non-infallible teaching authority of Christ’s vicar on earth.

... It is, of course, possible that the Church might come to modify its stand on some detail of teaching presented as non-infallible matter in a papal encyclical. The nature of the auctoritas providentiae doctrinalis within the Church is such, however, that this fallibility extends to questions of relatively minute detail or of particular application. The body of doctrine on the rights and duties of labor, on the Church and State, or on any other subject treated extensively in a series of papal letters directed to and normative for the entire Church militant could not be radically or completely erroneous. The infallible security Christ wills that His disciples should enjoy within His Church is utterly incompatible with such a possibility. - Monsignor Fenton, 1949

12 posted on 07/08/2016 5:18:49 AM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: piusv

Thanks for your reply. You put much effort in it. I am still trying to digest it.


13 posted on 07/08/2016 7:00:16 AM PDT by pleasenotcalifornia
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To: pleasenotcalifornia

Well most of it is not my words, so I can’t take credit. The crisis in the Church takes a lot of research, reading and praying. It is critical to stick with pre-Vatican II sources.

God Bless.


14 posted on 07/08/2016 7:12:22 AM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: ebb tide

He’s crazy as hell.


15 posted on 07/08/2016 8:51:23 AM PDT by NKP_Vet (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle,stand like a rock ~ T, Jefferson)
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To: marshmallow

16 posted on 07/08/2016 12:34:49 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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