[Mrs. Don-o]

Oh, fer cryin' out loud, ealgeone!! Idols and statues don't say anything. Surely you know that!

First you refute things *I* didn't say, then you refute things "idols and statues" didn't say.

This is not the way to conduct a discussion. To do this, you have to engage with what the other person actually said.

AND both parties have to agree to defined terms. Please define and distinguish "adoration" and "veneration." Debater's courtesy: I'm giving you the first dibs on that.

[ealgeone]

Second, I NEVER said we don't pray *to* Mary, but quite the opposite: I said we do pray *to* Mary, and it's legit: we're not worshiping her as if she were a goddess or some such thing.

The idols and statues say otherwise.

Oh, fer cryin' out loud, ealgeone!! Idols and statues don't say anything. Surely you know that!

Yes, I know idols don't speak. You misunderstood the context of what I was saying. Allow me to clarify.

Roman catholicism has turned her into a goddess as evidenced by the statues/idols of Mary and the prayers to her and the reliance upon Mary for salvation.

[Ransomed]

I’ve given up on this issue. All anyone would have to do is ask a Catholic if they worship Mary if they wanted to find out if Catholics worship Mary. But that’s never enough somehow, as if Catholics would have some reason to lie about it or something. Why would a Christian disbelieve another Christian on this? It’s not that hard. So what does it say about the folks who don’t take Catholics word for it?

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