Since Baal was the Canaanites’ god, I’m going to guess it was adoration. They were polytheists, as I understand it.
Officer gets down on one knee to give folded US flag to the son of the deceased at a military funeral. Adoration or veneration?
Suitor drops to one knee to ask his beloved’s hand in marriage. Adoration or veneration?
Abigail prostrates before David the King. Adoration or veneration?
Come Mrs D....it was worship and you know it. The OT calls it worship in more than one place.
As far as your other examples....I don't see anyone praying to a flag, their beloved, or Abigail before David as the catholic does with Mary.
They do not rely upon Mary for intercession and salvation as does the catholic.
This is a very disingenuous attempt of the catholic to equate kneeling and praying to Mary with every day events in an attempt to excuse the worship of Mary.
HMMMmmm...
"The Most Holy Virgin in these last times in which we live has given a new efficacy to the recitation of the Rosary to such an extent that there is no problem,
no matter how difficult it is, wheter temporal or above all spiritual, in the personal life of each one of us, of our families...that cannot be solved by the Rosary.
There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we cannot resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary."
Sister Lucia dos Santos
(Given to St. Dominic and Blessed Alan de la Roche)
| 1 | Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive powerful graces. |
| 2. | I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary. |
| 3. | The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies |
| 4. | It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of people from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means. |
| 5. | The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish. |
| 6. | Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying Himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise Him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life. |
| 7. | Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church. |
| 8. | Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plentitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the Saints in Paradise. |
| 9. | I shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary. |
| 10. | The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven. |
| 11. | You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary. |
| 12. | All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities. |
| 13. | I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death |
| 14. | All who recite the Rosary are my children, and brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ. |
| 15. | Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination. |
HMMMmmm...
Transparency or Obfuscation?
So you only go the churchhouse to "venerate" (proskuneo = bow or kneel in hmage to) her -- that is, her image there?
Even regarding (an) angel(s), even in a waking vision, the Beloved John was commanded NOT to do this kind of "voluntary humility" (Col. 2:18-19) which is exactly what you try to make out veneration to be:
"And I fell at his feet to worship* him. And he said unto me, See thou do it* not: I am thy fellowservant~, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship* God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy (Rev. 19:10 AV; * = proskuneo, ~ = co-slave).
Mary, though worthy of honor, is still a co-slave with us of Jesus, whom she gave birth to, but of whose actual sinful desoxyribonucleic acid He is not.
Here's what happens: Despite all the fine weasel words you sling about regarding "veneration," and regardless of how careful the catechumen is instructed, he/she is going to be overwhelmed by the supererogatory necessity of emphasizing the value of the special consideration accorded the person and role of Mary, both then and now, supposed halo and all.
That spiritually waterboarded novitiate is, lifelong, going to overcompensate the "veneration" that you teach, will never want to be found at all short in that area od humility, and is going to overcompensate by falling into the worship mode, never able to determine where the fine line between "venerate" and "bow or kneel in homage" exists (if at all, and who is to say?), always performing execrable idolatry, which is just beyond respectful regard.
To me, all your scripturally-unsupported rationale is just a wagon-load of what my grandfather farmer spread the fields with. And that is why in English, the word worship is the definition of only two words, one in Hebrew and one in Greek, of W-O-R-S-H-I-P; and to which in either your DRB or my KJV never is assigned the alphabetic value of v-e-n-e-r-a-t-i-o-n.
Let's be done with this impractical catechistic hocus-pocus word-bandying, eh? And get down to whether Catholics have been following the determined will, the thelema (θέλημα) of The Father and His Son (Heb. 10:9-10) in its historical development.