[Mrs. Don-o]

To have a fruitful discussion, you have to agree on definitions. I was defining in English (which is what I speak and write); and in this context, historic Catholic usage (which is actually the topic of discussion.)

The definition given by "trained translators" is great if we're talking about Greek usage.

[Elsie]

To have a fruitful discussion, you have to agree on definitions.

I'll be DAMNED if I'm going to use ROME's!!