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Grievous Wlves...Charismatic post mortem
https://billrandles.wordpress.com/2016/04/15/grievous-wolves-charismatic-post-mortem-pt-2/ ^ | 04-15-16 | Bill Randles

Posted on 04/15/2016 4:39:58 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles

Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.(Acts 20:28-32)

We have been doing an autopsy on the Charismatic movement, trying to consider how it is that a Holy Spirit movement, which brought hundreds of thousands of people from all walks of life into the saving knowledge of God, the love of Jesus Christ and the sweet fellowship of the Holy Ghost, could so degenerate that now a person is worse off for association with the charismatic movement, than they would be had they never heard of it.

By the power of the Holy Spirit, millions of people came into the Christian faith in those days, but being born again is a beginning, and not an end itself. It is one thing to be converted, and another entirely to “Abide in Christ”. Much of staying power is dependent on teaching. Pastors are supposed to receive new converts and feed their souls that which is truly nourishing to the soul, “The sincere milk of the Word of God”, as Peter says.

But faithless Pastors are like a broken tooth or a sprained ankle, if they pass on false teaching, or passively allow false teachers to infect the flock, it is devastating. This is a major cause of the death of the Charismatic movement.

Perhaps my own personal experience can serve as a microcosm of the movement as a whole.

In 1978, shortly after I was born again into the wonderful world of evangelical, Pentecostal Christianity, I plunged into the local church which first introduced me to these things.It was there that I first saw people worshipping and adoring God the Father and his Son, Jesus Christ, tears streaming down their faces, hands lifted up, singing songs I had never heard before.

The people of First Assembly of God, in Ames Iowa, were so earnest, simple and beautiful in their love for Jesus and concern for each other. I had never sen such love, and belief. If any were sick they would pray, and their would be constant testimonies of real hearings and miracles.

For example, A farmer refused to miss church, one Sunday, though he had hay laying in the field waiting to be bailed and put away, even though a terrible rainstorm was threatening. But God honored his faith, and the rain stopped just short of his property line. He put God first, and it paid off. I couldn’t wait for testimony time, and eagerly went forward for prayer every chance I got.Those were simple, beautiful days.

Not long after I was saved, someone gave me a 12 pack of Kenneth Copeland teaching cassettes, which I eagerly devoured. I didn’t realize it but I was plunging fully into heretical Christianity, the Word/Faith Movement. Copeland was such a communicator, engaging, folksy and personal, furthermore he was a “mans man” and not “religious” or stuffy as it seemed so many pastors were.

But I was too immature at the time to discern Copeland’s defective theology, such as his teaching that the Believer is a “Little God”, who could “frame his world” by the use of Words, as God made our world by Words. Copeland seemed to make sense, teaching that “Dogs have baby dogs, and Cats have kittens”, but when God has children, they are “little gods”(with a little”g” of course.

Here is an example from Copeland’s tape, “The force of Love”-

He is a spirit. And Jesus said the time will come and time now is that they that worship him worship him, in spirit and in truth. And he imparted in you when you were born again…Peter said it just as plain, he said we are partakers of the divine nature. That nature is life eternal in absolute perfection. And that was imparted, injected into your spirit man and you have that imparted into you by God just as same as you imparted into your child the nature of humanity. That child wasn’t born a whale…born a human. Isn’t that true? Well now you don’t have a human, do you? No, you are one. You don’t have a god in you, you are one (The Force of Love, tape #02-0028) These teachings are devastating, because they engender pride. Word of Faith(WOF theology literally eschews classic Biblical humility, teaching a form of the serpent’s lie in the garden, that “Ye shall be as gods…”. In fact the teaching that makes men out to be “god” is the ultimate corruption of spirituality, and is in fact the very “mystery of iniquity” that the Apostle warned about.

Copeland was not alone and the above is far from the only problem with this sick aberrant theology, all of which is based on perversion of scripture. Kenneth Hagin, Oral Robert, Robert Tilton, Jerry Savelle, Charles Capps and a host of other Word of Faith teachers disseminated these heresies to those hundreds of thousands who had recently been born again and flocked into Charismatic churches, hungry for Christian teaching.

But they all looked and acted so powerful! They all seemed to perform miracles and seemed to be spiritually far beyond “Religious”, “churchy” regular old ordinary ministers, of the normal church as most people had once known it.

One aspect that I think in retrospect furthered their deception and seduction of so many, was that a lot of these ‘bold men of God’ would use a kind of derisive mockery of the old fashioned meek, (humble ), traditional pastors and leaders. We were all in on the joke, because we knew that we WORD/FAITH people had ‘the anointing’ and operated in revelation knowledge, and were the furthest thing from the old religious prudes of the old system.

I don’t know how many sermons I heard which began with a comment like this, “Now I am fixing to upset your doctrine here, so hang on to your seat…”, as if orthodox Christian doctrine is wrong, and insufficient, compared to the “new light” the new gurus were bringing to us. We would laugh and clap as these teachers undermined the ancient faith “once and for all delivered to the Saints”.

In retrospect, each heretic took the Charismatics further from the Truth, they built upon each other. William Branham, (of whom I have much to say shortly) was an arch heretic and yet a wonderworker who deceived millions, and set the stage for the apostasy we see now. He made possible the acceptance of Hagin and Copeland, who paved the way for John Wimber, John Arnott and Rodney Howard Browne. There would be no Bill Johnson or Mike Bickle without these earlier apostates. Todd Bentley would have been rejected as a lunatic without the constant , thirty or forty year garage of mysticism, false teaching and experienced based (Pseudo) revival promoted by these deceivers.

What happened to me? The Holy Spirit gave me the power to overcome this Anti-Christ Spirit, this is the true meaning of I John 4:4, “Fear not little children for you have overcome them , for greater is He that is in you, than He that is in the World”.

It was a confluence of events, of which two things dominate; 1) When Dave Hunt came out with a book, “The Seduction of Christianity”, I saw by the reaction of my “leaders” that they acted cultic. “Don’t read that book”, they said, “…it will hurt your ‘anointing’ “. I thought that our faith could stand up to any scrutiny!

Why shouldn’t we read a book that challenged it? They hated and reviled Hunt,(whom I had never heard of) they castigated him as though they were afraid of his message! Ithought it odds, but I still hadn’t read his book yet, but then…

2) I went with my wife to a WOF pastors conference, (by this time we had started a church in our home).One of the pastors pulled in, sporting on his Car a ‘vanity license plate”, which said”IAMAgod”.

I looked at Kris,(my beautiful wife) and she looked at me and we both said,”What have we gotten ourselves into?”. We reeled. What is this? The other pastors congratulated the man for his “bold faith” but we knew that was blasphemous! Then I believe I heard the Holy Spirit, for a clear thought penetrated my troubled mind…”All he is doing is taking your teachers to their logical conclusion!”.

I had to undergo a season of serious reflection and repentance. I had to re-examine everything I thought I believed, in the light of the Word of God. I had to turn my back on ‘my teachers’ wherever I found them to be false.This took about five or six years.

I had to commit to a new loyalty(which was actually the original loyalty) . My loyalty must be to the Word of God, not to teachers or a movement, or a teaching or revelation which contradicted the Word of God. And finally I had to ask my self, “What drew me to these heretics anyway? What is it in me, that they appeal to?”

I realized then that I don’t want to be a “God”, not a big one or a little one, nor do I want to be a “man of faith and power”. In fact all I wanted to do is go back under GOD, and be a redeemed worshipper again, a nobody, a nothing, a man. Under God.


TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: apostasy; copleand; hagin; jjesus
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1 posted on 04/15/2016 4:39:58 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

Copeland is just creepy, by any standard. I cannot imagine a person imbued by Holy Spirit discernment could possibly swallow his poison.


2 posted on 04/15/2016 4:44:08 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: fwdude

He has gotten worse in the twenty five years since I left the movement


3 posted on 04/15/2016 4:45:14 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles (ore and rebuild Jerusalem)
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To: pastorbillrandles

I’d love to hear more from you. Tell me, what is your take on the Christian contemporary music movement that came on the scene in the 70’s and 80’s? It seemed to have a lot in common with the Charismatic movement you chronicled, a lot of overlap.


4 posted on 04/15/2016 4:53:44 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: pastorbillrandles

Excellent!!!


5 posted on 04/15/2016 6:23:19 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: pastorbillrandles

I read a book by Hanegraff years ago, entitled, “Counterfeit Christianity.” It was very eye-opening and talked all about this stuff. I have always been a skeptical type of person and am not easily swayed so I have always been wary of a lot of this stuff. I follow what the Scriptures say and lots of this stuff is just NOT in there anywhere.


6 posted on 04/15/2016 6:25:11 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: fwdude; pastorbillrandles

You’re not talking about such musicians as LoveSong are you?


7 posted on 04/16/2016 5:04:24 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade ("A Republic if you can keep it."- Benjamin Franklin Vote Tom Hoefling 2016 to restore the Republic)
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To: pastorbillrandles

Fascinating, thanks for sharing. I would add that our loyalty should be the Messiah, who forgave our sins. Putting loyalty in the Book has a nuance, presupposing that one will rightly interpret it independent of the one holy catholic apostolic church, founded by Jesus on the apostles and prophets with Himself as the chief cornerstone. This is the stumbling stone at the entrance to many of these cults. What is needed is not a new movement, but rather fidelity to the Holy One who forgives our sins.


8 posted on 04/16/2016 6:34:05 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

Not so much the early pioneers as where the movement went. It resulted in a market-based movement of basically non-believer pretenders.


9 posted on 04/16/2016 8:58:38 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: fwdude

I agree


10 posted on 04/16/2016 9:33:56 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade ("A Republic if you can keep it."- Benjamin Franklin Vote Tom Hoefling 2016 to restore the Republic)
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To: fwdude

There are many who have fallen away, into ecumenism, worldly music and so forth, but there are those who still minister Jesus. What happens is the initial simplicity has long since been abandoned, record companies come in and people begin to sell out. I thnk people like Larry Norman and Paul Clark, and Keith Green were true followers of Jesus. Musicians have special temptations that most of the rest of us don’t face because everybody wants to use them...I am no expert on the subject though. There is a credible group called the Cavary Chapel, which is a direct descendent of the Charismatic movement among hippies and street people. Many of them have remained true to the odd of God, as far as I know. Sparrow Music and Maranatha music came out of the Calvary Chapel movement.


11 posted on 04/16/2016 3:22:28 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles (ore and rebuild Jerusalem)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

I don’t know what became of Chuck Girard, but I love his work, Little Pilgrim, Love Song, Welcome Back....


12 posted on 04/16/2016 3:23:31 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles (ore and rebuild Jerusalem)
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To: pastorbillrandles

The two books, that have had a profound influence on me was your book Found and Wanting and the late Chuck Smith’s book Charisma VS Charismania


13 posted on 04/16/2016 3:37:41 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade ("A Republic if you can keep it."- Benjamin Franklin Vote Tom Hoefling 2016 to restore the Republic)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

wow, that is so encouraging!


14 posted on 04/16/2016 4:27:18 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles (ore and rebuild Jerusalem)
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To: pastorbillrandles; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; daniel1212; dragonblustar; ...

I have friends who are unashamedly word of faith people.

They, at least he, was wonderfully saved many years ago and God delivered him from a very evil lifestyle. Sad to say, I have questions about whether his wife is really saved, although she talks the talk.

She’s into the power stuff and it’s obvious that she really wants it.

My heart breaks for them and I pray that God will deliver them from its clutches.

I can see where some of the attraction to the movement is in part due to a reaction to cold, dead religiosity, but it’s gone to such an extreme and there is much deceit in it now.

Thanks for posting this series.

It’s very needed.


15 posted on 04/16/2016 6:17:44 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: fwdude; pastorbillrandles

I’m curious about what you think about contemporary Christian music of today.

I enjoy a lot of it although there is also much that is just outright bad and not only theologically but musically as well.


16 posted on 04/16/2016 6:27:11 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

I agree. I was saved, baptized, and introduced to the Bible (which I love and study daily) through the “Jesus movement”, but I have no illusions about the unfortunate fact that a lot of false teachers have arisen, using the legitimate words of the Bible to lead people astray.

I went through some really rough patches myself, but my faith not only survived the abuses, but grew stronger and more “reasonable”. I believe in the Gifts of the Spirit, and cringe when I see false teachers twist their meaning and usage. I also believe that God will “take care of these guys” in His own time. It won’t be pretty.

While it seems that the more traditional churches have moved to liberalism and lukewarm social work at the expense of the Gospel (leaving their First Love), these Charismatic churches have moved towards “magical thinking”(sorcery).

Both are extremes that are examined in the Letters to the Seven Churches of Revelation.

Jesus knew this was coming, and gave us fair warning in His Word.


17 posted on 04/16/2016 6:31:34 PM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: metmom
I’m curious about what you think about contemporary Christian music of today.

Two things here. There is the Christian Contemporary music that is sung as "entertainment," at concerts and consumed on albums and radio, and the music that is often now performed in churches as part of the worship. Admittedly, there is some overlap, but I am speaking of all of it as a whole, just to be clear.

Some of it is good, while much of it is horrid. Much of the theology is extremely shallow and skewed, exalting self out of all proportion. Pay attention to how many times the words "I, "we" and "me" are used to get a sense of this trend.

But it's not so much about the music itself as those who write and perform it. It is no surprise that the history of Christian contemporary musicians is replete with worldliness, compromise, and scandal found every bit as frequently as in the godless world. Romantic affairs, adultery and divorces are common, as are other sexual sins which would never have been tolerated a generation ago (i.e. Amy Grant, Sandi Patti, Derek Webb and Sandra McCracken, to name just a few.) CC musicians are becoming extremely soft on homosexuality, many even SUPPORTING the wholesale redefinition of marriage and some coming out as "gay," militantly so (Amy Grant, Ray Boltz of Petra, etc.). Recently, there has been a rash of "Christian" musicians even coming out as atheists, or at lease agnostics (Jars of Clay'a Dan Haseltine, etc.)

My point is not that people who claim to the the pioneers in a new genera of Christian music should never backslide or apostatize, but that this seems to be rampant among them. And I have to question the product which comes from such people.

As far as worship music goes, much of it springs from the "Emergent Church" movement, and contains a strong core of its flawed theology.

Call me a fuddy duddy, but give me an old hymnal any day over what is performed in most Churches these days.

18 posted on 04/17/2016 3:23:11 PM PDT by fwdude
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I'd never heard of Love Song until you mentioned them, so I looked them up. Yowsa! What a bunch of hippy-looking acid heads! Yes, they epitomize the early Jesus Movement to a tee. I'm not against Christians young in the faith expressing themselves in the only ways they've known, but I would expect them to grow into something else as they mature spiritually. A lot of times we don't see that, but musicians becoming entrenched in their old ways as a gimmick or as demonstrating an extreme form of "hyper-grace."
19 posted on 04/17/2016 3:37:26 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: fwdude

I absolutely agree with your assessment of contemporary Christian music.

I’m somewhat picky about what I listen to. The feely good songs just make me want to gag. The bad theology ones are like fingernails on a chalkboard. I don’t like the ones that focus on us or are shallow repetitive three lines repeated 23 times.

There is a tendency to whip people into emotionalism and then claim what great worship it is. I do NOT need THAT.

Worship focuses on God and when it does, yes, the emotions come into play but it’s not because of the loud rock band or the worship *leader* telling me how to worship.

The older hymns bring back fond memories but I kind of like when they are put to more contemporary music. I like the music a little livelier than it used to be, but *worship* music that is borderline damaging the hearing, does nothing for me. I just sigh deeply when I enter a church and they have a basket of earplugs sitting at the entrance of the sanctuary for people to take for use during worship.

Yes, I’ve seen that.


20 posted on 04/17/2016 3:39:12 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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