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To: Mrs. Don-o

Mary is VERY special. Prophesied of in the Old Testament, fulfilled in the New Testament. She is the Christotokos, Mother of Christ! However she needed to be saved by her Son just like us. Which is why she calls God her “savior”!


36 posted on 04/01/2016 2:04:28 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Amen to all that.


70 posted on 04/01/2016 5:52:33 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("My soul magnifies the Lord, and myh spirit rejoices in God my Savior.")
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To: Jan_Sobieski
Mary is VERY special. Prophesied of in the Old Testament, fulfilled in the New Testament. She is the Christotokos, Mother of Christ! However she needed to be saved by her Son just like us. Which is why she calls God her “savior”!

One would have a hard time in Bible times explaining kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them, and giving glory and titles and ascribing attributes to such which are never given in Scripture to created beings (except to God or to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers individually addressed to them

Which manner of adulation would constitute worship in Scripture, yet Catholics imagine that by playing word games then they can avoid crossing the invisible line between mere "veneration" and worship.

Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?

Catholics should only do (and I should do more of) what Mary and every believer in Scripture did in praying to Heaven, which was to pray directly to the Lord, not saintly secretaries. But they must truly become born again for that.

Instead, many Caths basically say,

As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes... (Jeremiah 44:16-17)

73 posted on 04/01/2016 6:10:25 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
Mary is VERY special. Prophesied of in the Old Testament, fulfilled in the New Testament. She is the Christotokos, Mother of Christ!

In Genesis and Revelation the same symbols are used; the sun, the moon, and the stars. In Genesis the interpretation is given; the sun is Jacob, the moon is Rachel, and each star is one are Joseph's brethren, the head of a tribe of Israel. In Revelation the interpretation of the woman is that she gave birth to the Messiah. There is only one woman who meets that criteria. One can say that blessed Miriam/Mary represents Israel, but Israel only gives birth to the Messiah through her. She cannot be removed from this great wonder in heaven where she is surrounded by the sun (patriarchs), moon (matriarchs), stars (twelve tribes of Israel) and encompasses all the people of God, ie., the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

And God remembered Rachel, and God hearkened to her, and opened her womb. And she conceived, and bare a son; and said, God hath taken away my reproach: And she called his name Joseph; and said, The LORD shall add to me another son.

And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me. And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth? And his brethren envied him; but his father observed the saying.

And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Genesis, Catholic chapter thirty, Protestant verses twenty two to twenty four,
Genesis, Catholic chapter thirty seven, Protestant verses nine to eleven,
Luke, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses thirty to thirty three,
Revelation, Catholic chapter twelve, in its entirety,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

211 posted on 04/02/2016 8:21:52 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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