Posted on 01/14/2016 6:28:06 PM PST by Capt. Tom
I sent an e- mail yesterday after attending a Muslim presentation at a local church, open to the public. It was sponsored by local religious groups to get a better understanding of Islam.
My friend who I sent the e- mail too, picked up on the idea that it might be part of a nationwide effort by Muslim apologists to numb the Infidel about the Islamic threat to us Kafirs , by portraying Islam as a religion of peace. MY friend asked my permission to alert Rush and Howie Carr about this. I said OK but don't get the church and town involved and if they wanted to talk to me that is OK.
Here is last nights e- mail with some redactions.
Hi Guys I attended the Muslim talk at St. xxxs tonight. There were about 25 people in attendance, including 1 Catholic priest and 2 Protestant Ministers.
Before the meeting I asked the Muslim presenter whether he was Sunni or Shiite. He said he considered himself neither just a Muslim and didn't like categorizing Muslims.
I listened to his presentation and when he explained Jihad as a religious internal struggle to better yourself and he did not relate it to war or violence against kafirs(Infidels) I had to interrupt him and said he was giving only half the story and I explained what Muhammed did and how Muslims were to follow that example. He said I was absolutely correct, but Muslims were fighting back against aggression.
I had to interrupt about 2 or 3 more times to get the rest of the story out of him on other subjects because the naïve audience knew so little about Islam, they were just unable to question his presentation.
Telling half the story is allowed in Islam to deceive the Infidel . That is called "KITMAN." Lying deliberately to Infidels is also allowed . That is called " TAQIYYA".
He didn't tell any lies, just half the story favoring Islam, using the earlier Mecca chapters of the Koran, and not the rest of the story about following the Koran in its entirety, with the later aggressive Medina chapters abrogating earlier milder Mecca chapters, and following the example set by Muhammed on subjugating, converting or killing all non- believers.
I was disappointed by the total lack of knowledge the audience had about Islam. They were clueless. Cluelessness was easy to detect by the questions they asked. Some were quick to apologize for bad past Christian behavior and equating Islam with Christianity.
Keeping us Kafirs off balance has always worked for Islam, because our religions are so mamby pamby girly boy that the adherents can’t fathom that a religion like Islam can be so violent and destructive.
They want to believe it is a religion of peace , in spite of 1400 years of history. -Tom
Hi Guys I attended the Muslim talk at St. Xs tonight. There were about 25 people in attendance, including 1 Catholic priest and 2 Protestant Ministers.
Before the meeting I asked the Muslim presenter whether he was Sunni or Shiite. He said he considered himself neither just a Muslim and didn't like categorizing Muslims.
I listened to his presentation and when he explained Jihad as a religious internal struggle to better yourself and he did not relate it to war or violence against kafirs(Infidels) I had to interrupt him and said he was giving only half the story and I explained what Muhammed did and how Muslims were to follow that example.
He said I was absolutely correct, but Muslims were fighting back against aggression.
I had to interrupt about 2 or 3 more times to get the rest of the story out of him on other subjects because the naïve audience knew so little about Islam, they were just unable to question his presentation.
Telling half the story is allowed in Islam to deceive the Infidel . That is called "KITMAN." Lying deliberately to Infidels is also allowed . That is called " TAQIYYA".
He didn't tell any lies, just half the story favoring Islam using the earlier Mecca chapters of the Koran, and not the rest of the story about following the Koran in its entirety, with the later aggressive Medina chapters abrogating earlier milder Mecca chapters, and following the example set by Muhammed on subjugating, converting or killing all non- believers.
I was disappointed by the total lack of knowledge the audience had about Islam. They were clueless. Cluelessness was easy to detect by the questions they asked. Some were quick to apologize for bad past Christian behavior and equating Islam with Christianity.
Keeping us Kafirs off balance has always worked for Islam, because our religions are so mamby pamby girly boy that the adherents can’t fathom that a religion like Islam can be so violent and destructive. They want to believe it is a religion of peace , in spite of 1400 years of history. -Tom
I was there as a visitor and not as a counterweight, but it got so far one sided portraying Islam as a religion of peace I had to speak up. -Tom
Maybe getting up and walking out would have sent a good message to them.
Stephen Coughlin has written a monograph on precisely this subject. You can download the PDF version at the bottom of this page. http://unconstrainedanalytics.org/book-release-bridge-building-to-nowhere/
Also there is video.
His book “Catastrophic Failure” is worth the $6 Kindle price. I have both the Kindle and paper book version.
I have had this discussion a few times in recent years though not on such a level as what you experienced.
I have boiled it down into a single sentence....
islam is a scam created by a degenerate to give license for him to indulge his perversions, from murder, rape, to basic theft and everything in between.
The camel is getting its nose under the tent...
I had to stay to see how the whole thing went down.
About a dozen people there wanted to visit his Mosque.
Nothing wrong with that , but they seemed so clueless they could easily be manipulated. - tom
I know enough about Islam to know it’s an evil religion. I do not need to know any more about it since 9/11 going forward.
True, but I, for one, will stomp on that sumbitch every time I see it.
I keep telling people: “ Radical Muslims want to kill us. Moderate Muslims want the radicals to kill us. How do you tell the difference until people are dying? “
Yes, I understand what you were doing. I guess I was a little naive. I thought most people knew how EVIL Islam is. Now, I think there really are millions of clueless idiots out there, that are sincere in their belief that is is the ROP. I thought W was just being politically correct when he said that, and that he really knew otherwise. I am beginning to think he honestly believes that. When the president of the US honestly believes that drivel, who among us is safe?
Bkmrk.
thanks- I have been looking for that book but had forgotten the title and authors name.
I just ordered it from Amazon.
I do a lot of reading in the winter , just finished another book on Islam,have another coming and now added Coughlin's book.
When the fishing season starts in April, no doctors, or books for awhile. -tom
There was a guy at my old Baptist church who traveled to Israel through the years. He was on the side of the Palis. I found it unbelievable.
Yep. It’s called ‘Chrislam’.
We can see the same naiveness in Sweden, France, and Germany.
What the hell are those leaders thinking?
We know what our American hating , Muslim sympathizer President is thinking.
And we have another year of him. -Tom
Why are they bringing in a supernatural being into this?
I would have expected their last words to be something like Take this you yankee bastards or Take this for dominating my country, or something along those lines.
So I spent a lot of time reading Islamic books, and listening to Islamic tapes and realized we are in a religious war, regardless of what Pres Bush said, and Tony Blair backed him up with the same nonsense.
The public is still in the dark about Islam.
But I am seeing some realization of the Muslim threat now being openly expressed on TV and in books. It' a start. -tom
Yes, the week after 911, the Muslims in our 50,000 employee Healthcare Co lectured us incessantly through HR employee indoctrination about their religion of peace.
Islamists are a insidiously virulent social virus curse.
Our minister arranged several “interfaith” meetings, the first of which was to have a Muslim man speak at our church.
I had to talk to three board members to get the minister to listen to me for more than an initial objection. For example, a prayer in Arabic is blasphemy, for it says Jesus is not the son of god - so their prayer denies the very tenets of our faith. And that I wouldn’t tolerate someone lying to our congregation, saying “Islam is peace” when the translation is “submission”.
The minister and music director brought up that not all Muslims are violent. I said that the refrain “Islam is a religion of peace” is wishful thinking; we want it to be this, but it needs to reform to do that, and it WILL NOT do so if we keep pretending nothing is wrong. And the fact that we have to keep saying it is peaceful over and over again after atrocity after atrocity is proof it is not peaceful for a large number of its adherents, especially given the silence of the so-called peaceful majority in the face of these evil acts. They can’t condemn it, either for fear of their fundamentalist co-religionists will kill them, too, or because Mohammed did all the things ISIS does today like behead critics and have sex slaves.”
They assured me the speaker was progressive, born in America, etc. I said that was fine if he wasn’t going to violate the truth that the church is supposed to represent, but I would still bring my own references to counter it if he defamed the church while standing at the pulpit.
(That is the point of terrorism, commit a few big publicized evil acts so you don’t have to conquer new places; they just roll over when you approach to minimize the pain.)
I was willing to risk my voting membership in the church over this, but it is depressing that I had to talk to three board members for the minister to actually listen more than thirty seconds on this topic from me.
The AV guy says he’ll cut cameras and recording, if necessary, but I said I didn’t care. The truth is more important.
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