Posted on 01/01/2016 10:28:21 AM PST by NRx
The weed of heresy, unlearner, always bears bitter fruit, thus the embrace of Mohammedanism by elements of protestantism, in more ways than one if the postings of certain Freepers is any indication.
Ironic, isn’t it?!
BTW, the first icon was written by St. Luke.
unlearner:
However, veneration of icons or sacred things is not idolatry. Worshiping false gods is idolatry. You are making icons and venerating them equivalent to idolatry. It is not.
“but even adults need images. “
So it isn’t a matter of literacy.
“Exalt ye the Lord our God, and worship the footstool of His feet; for He is holy†(Psalm 98[99]:5).
Now you weren't doing to badly til you got to here...And you obviously decided to pervert the scriptures to get people to believe God wants Christians to worship idols...Here's the real scripture...
Psa 99:5 Exalt ye the LORD our God, and worship at his footstool; for he is holy.
The real scripture doesn't say anything about worshiping an ark or footstool, does it...They call that 'deception'...
Why would it be inherently wrong to bow to the Apostles, but not inherently wrong for Abraham to bow to the people of Hebron?
More correctly, it is not only a matter of literacy.
I have been around numerous Catholic statues...I have not a single time been inspired to get on my knees and pray to one of them...
You are to kiss these statues and bow before them and pray to them, but it is not 'real' worship...
Well of course it's real worship...That's how you worship...
They teach you to worship these idols and then tell you it's not really worship...
Clearly there's no difference between the way you guys worship these idols and the way you worship God...Apparently even tho the procedure is identical the difference is that the one is made of cement so you can't call that worship...
And it just as bad with the supposed Saints and Mary...There is no difference in the way you worship the idols, the Saints and God...But because the others are not God, you call the exact same procedure veneration...
“embrace of Mohammedanism by elements of protestantism”
That is beyond ridiculous. Islam has no influence whatsoever over reading the word of God and recognizing that some people have corrupted true religion to follow vain traditions of men. It has been happening even before there was a church or Islam. It is still happening today.
There is a sick and evil minded group around here that delights in spreading their filth on this forum. This group knows full well that their manmade practices are offensive to some Christians, yet they cannot simply keep their filthy idolatry in their own homes, temples of idolatry, and among their own false believers. They are urged and compelled to proclaim it.
It makes sense having rejected the true Gospel of Jesus Christ as preserved for us the holy writings of the apostles, that they must replace their enthusiasm with filthy, disgusting abominations.
If I knew someone who professes faith in Christ believed it wrong to eat pork, I might discuss civilly why I disagree. But I certainly would not make the habitual practice of making posts to him or his group on the wonders of various pork recipes and how all true Christians should learn to love pork.
Even if the so-called veneration of statues was never idolatry or perhaps only rarely idolatry, a true follower of Christ would never try to lead other followers of Christ to do something that would cause them to stumble. This fact alone convinces me of the sheer wickedness of people who promote such things.
There is more than one way that this text could be translated, but the word “worship” is simply the word for “bow”, and so when it says to bow before the footstool of His feet, it is saying to bow towards the Ark.
We don’t use statues, and so I wouldn’t have a lot of experience with that, but they did use statues in the Temple.
We do not pray to images. We pray to God, and we also ask the Saints for their prayers.
I already said that bowing to people is not absolutely defined as idolatry in scripture.
There is no precedent in scripture for Christians being taught to bow to the apostles, angels, Mary, or any so-called “saints”. This was added later as a man-made tradition which is contrary to the word of God.
“That is beyond ridiculous. Islam has no influence whatsoever over reading the word of God and recognizing that some people have corrupted true religion to follow vain traditions of men.”
But in the Christian era, the origin of iconoclasm is the Mohammedan heresy, an heretical mania which has been adopted by certain versions of protestantism. Those versions of protestantism also share other theological positions with the Mohamedan heresy, for example, rejection of the Councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon. There are those among Eastern Christians who believe that the influence of those protestants who have adopted heresies whose origins are in Mohammedanism or who otherwiae share heretical beliefs with the Mohammedans on the Republican party in America explains the pro Mohammadanism foreign policy of this country going back at least to Reagan.
The weed of heresy always bears bitter fruit.
Wow. As a member of the “sick and evil minded”, I caution you to remove the beam from your eye before trying to remove the sliver from mine.
The level of vitriol and hate that consumes you is galling.
“More correctly, it is not only a matter of literacy.”
It isn’t. I doubt it ever was.
“Little children, guard yourselves from idols.”
- Apostle John at the end of his life
Following the teachings being pushed in this article will result in people going to hell. Ignoring that would be hatred. I can only do so much, but there is a group around here that prefers to substitute the promotion of idols over the message of the Gospel.
This forum allows for caucus discussion specifically to avoid fighting over differences. It is obvious some prefer to spread their garbage to others not in their group. If they don’t want to be exposed for such then they ought to at least keep it to their caucus. Even with that there are plenty of Mary worship advocating titles that pop up all of the time. It is offensive.
This nation was built by people who were fleeing religious entities like the Catholic church that would have liked to continue to slaughter them as they had done for many years. Christians that fled here just wanted to worship in peace. In spite of the differences between the many various sects, they had enough in common to form a bond that formed this nation.
The very same ones arguing with me over this will also explain how the Catholic church did nothing wrong when it had William Tyndale burned at the stake for giving people the Bible in the English language. This is worse than the friendly Muslims I know. At least they will admit that the acts of ISIS are evil.
“the origin of iconoclasm is the Mohammedan heresy, an heretical mania which has been adopted by certain versions of protestantism. Those versions of protestantism also share other theological positions with the Mohamedan heresy, for example, rejection of the Councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon. There are those among Eastern Christians who believe that the influence of those protestants who have adopted heresies whose origins are in Mohammedanism or who otherwiae share heretical beliefs with the Mohammedans on the Republican party in America explains the pro Mohammadanism foreign policy of this country going back at least to Reagan.”
Is wearing pants a sign of Muslim influence, because I do wear pants? I admit it.
....sound and fury. Signifying nothing.
So if it is not idolatry, then what is your problem with it? Clearly the problem with those who were rebuked was not with the bowing, but with erroneous beliefs that needed to be corrected.
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