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To: ealgeone
I guess the writer nor the poster isn't familiar with John 17.

I post De Montfort quotes to show just how far some Catholics go in their "adoration" of Mary. Most Catholics are not aware that it goes to this level.

1,982 posted on 01/11/2016 1:35:08 PM PST by DungeonMaster (Satan attacks weaklings, by demographic.)
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To: DungeonMaster
I post De Montfort quotes to show just how far some Catholics go in their "adoration" of Mary. Most Catholics are not aware that it goes to this level.

Now you tell us! Don't do that without a qualifying statement, while i could have provided you with some more , including from the idolator De Montfort. Sorry for rebuking you as if you were engaging in the same, but that was outlandish. On the other hand, i can and do engage in idolatry whenever something created becomes my highest object of spiritual affection, object of allegiance, or source of security, but which is not the same as formally ascribing to created beings what belongs to God alone.

But so you know, RCs will deny that, no matter how it looks and sounds, the adulation they engage in is not actually (crossing that fine line into) "adoration," which is worship in Catholic nomenclature, which V2 teaches they and Muslims engage in toward the same God.

As often said, one would have a hard time in Bible times explaining kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them, and giving glory and titles and ascribing attributes to such which are never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers individually addressed to them

Which manner of adulation would constitute worship in Scripture, yet Catholics imagine that by playing word games then they can avoid crossing the invisible line between mere "veneration" and worship.

Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?


1,987 posted on 01/11/2016 1:58:54 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: DungeonMaster
I post De Montfort quotes to show just how far some Catholics go in their "adoration" of Mary. Most Catholics are not aware that it goes to this level.

SOME are evidently poorly catechized...


 
 
 
Bernadine: ...all gifts, all virtues, and all graces are dispensed by the hands of Mary to whomsoever, when, and as she pleases. O Lady, since thou art the dispenser of all graces, and since the grace of salvation can ONLY come through thy hands, OUR SALVATION DEPENDS ON THEE.

Bonaventure: ...the gates of heaven will open to all who confide in the protection of Mary. Blessed are they who know thee, O Mother of God, for the knowledge of THEE is the high road to everlasting life, and the publication of thy virtues is the way of ETERNAL SALVATION . Give ear, O ye nations; and all you who desire heaven , serve, honor Mary, and certainly you will find ETERNAL LIFE.

Ephem: ...devotion to the divine Mother...is the unlocking of the heavenly Jerusalem.

Blosius: To the, O Lady, are committed the KEYS and the treasures of the kingdom of Heaven.

Ambrose: ...constantly pray 'Open to us, O Mary, the gates of paradise, since thou hast its KEYS.

Fulgetius: ...by Mary God descended from Heaven into the world, that by HER man might ascend from earth to Heaven.

Athanasius: ...And, thou, O Lady, wast filled with grace, that thou mightiest be the way of our SALVATION and the means of ascent to the heavenly Kingdom.

Richard of Laurence: Mary, in fine, is the mistress of heaven; for there she commands as she wills, and ADMITS whom she wills.

Guerric: ...he who serves Mary and for whom she intercedes, is as CERTAIN of heaven as if he were already there... ...and those who DO NOT serve Mary will NOT BE SAVED.

Anselm: It suffices, O Lady, that thou willest it, and our SALVATION is certain.

Antoninus: ...souls protected by Mary, and on which she casts her eyes, are NECESSARILY JUSTIFIED AND SAVED.

1,999 posted on 01/11/2016 2:14:13 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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